7X07 The Rings of Akhenaten (Grading/Discussion) (SPOILERS!)

Discussion in 'Doctor Who' started by Samurai8472, Apr 6, 2013.

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Grade "The Rings of Akhaten"

Poll closed May 7, 2013.
  1. Geronimo!

    15 vote(s)
    11.7%
  2. Good

    50 vote(s)
    39.1%
  3. Average

    36 vote(s)
    28.1%
  4. Bad

    18 vote(s)
    14.1%
  5. Terrible

    9 vote(s)
    7.0%
  1. Shawnster

    Shawnster Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Ah, thanks!
    I thought I heard Clara say "he" doesn't like me. Maybe I misunderstood. If she did say "he," then she's either unaware of the TARDIS gender (yet thinks the TARDIS should have gender), or she was referring to the Doctor.
     
  2. Mister Fandango

    Mister Fandango Fleet Captain

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    Think it all you like, there was a reason that the writers had her say that exact line. And since no one at all laughed at it or otherwise showed any indiciation of "making light of the situation," not even with musical cues, it's a safe bet to say that you're very much wrong here.
     
  3. Ar-Pharazon

    Ar-Pharazon Vice Admiral Premium Member

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    I pretty much agree here. The TARDIS can see across all time & space. She knows exactly who/what Clara is and already knows if she is going to hurt the Doctor or is being used for that purpose.
     
  4. Starkers

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    She didn't seem to mind River though?

    By the way did anyone else wonder if the Doctor was going to use his glasses as money? Those are Amy's specs aren't they? Or am I mistaken?
     
  5. Mr. Adventure

    Mr. Adventure Admiral Admiral

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    The TARDIS was probably like "Barking, really? I just can't be bothered. Uh, moped, whatever...happy?"
     
  6. Gov Kodos

    Gov Kodos Admiral Admiral

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    We have Clara's belief, but that doesn't mean the Tardis doesn't like her. I guess this will be clarified further in the Journey to the Center of the Tardis episode.
     
  7. Ar-Pharazon

    Ar-Pharazon Vice Admiral Premium Member

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    Good point. Maybe the plot requires it now? :biggrin:

    They sure look like the same ones.
     
  8. bryce

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    The flying through space in that scooter exposed to the vaccume, without the TARDIS to project and air corridor or or gravity bubble - or no mention that the "scooter" was capable of projecting one - really bugged me.

    (I was wondering if maybe the idea was either that the scooter *projected* a "gravity bubble...or the ring system was something like the "smoke ring" in Lary Nivin's "The Smoke Ring" and the Integril Trees", and it had an atmosphere...?)

    I also didn't like seeing the "planet" that the rings orbited just vanish, and no one worry what the rings were going to orbit now!?

    Perhaps the ring is some artifically maintained system with air and gravity - to keep the ring in orbit - and such...but if it was supposed to be, imo, the most likely source for generating and maintaining all of that was the being/"planet" in the center...and when it vanished, well...

    It just seemed like sloppy and careless writing to me - and a lot of it could be explained away or accounted for in a short line or two of exposition.
     
  9. Alidar Jarok

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    Regarding language, quite a bit of it was translated. Perhaps not consistently so, but certainly more than it would be if it was translating nothing.

    The TARDIS doesn't translate everything, after all. I mean the Doctor speaks Horse, but the TARDIS didn't start translating the horse, did it?
     
  10. Sindatur

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    And let's not forget baby that he was speaking to Stormageddon
     
  11. The Mirrorball Man

    The Mirrorball Man Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Doctor Who is not Star Trek. The series is not big on technobabble. If the Doctor is flying through space on a scooter, and that doesn't kill him, there's no need to mention that somehow the scooter is protecting him: it's obvious.
     
  12. The Wormhole

    The Wormhole Admiral Admiral

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    The TARDIS never translates the Judoon, they have to translate themselves. Although RTD explains in The Writer's Tale the Judoon aren't intelligent enough for the TARDIS to consider them sentient, so it doesn't translate their language. Maybe it's a similar situation here, the TARDIS is only translating aliens with a certain IQ?
     
  13. Psion

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    It isn't technobabble to provide explanations to reasonable questions. Amy asked "What are we breathing?" when dangling from the TARDIS in "The Beast Below", and the Doctor gave a reasonable, non technobabble explanation.

    In this case, we were shown an entire system that seemed to have a breathable atmosphere where it should have been open space. As bryce noted, like Niven's The Integral Trees. Not only that, but the apparently earthlike environment on those asteroids included normal gravity. Anyone with a third-grade grounding in science should have been wondering what was going on there. Why didn't Clara? One of the reasons for a companion in the show is to ask the questions the audience must be asking.
     
  14. Mr Pointy Ears

    Mr Pointy Ears Captain Captain

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    Think the 1st 2 epsiode of the 2nd half of season 7 werent that great,got a feeling the rest of the season isnt goin to be as god as the first half was.
     
  15. The Mirrorball Man

    The Mirrorball Man Vice Admiral Admiral

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    "I've been wondering... what are midi-chlorians?"

    No, really, that doesn't sound like a scene I may have been interested in watching.
     
  16. RoJoHen

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    Why would the TARDIS have a problem with River? The only real reason her story is complicated is because the Doctor always meets her in the wrong order. There is nothing inherently problematic about her existence.

    Clara, on the other hand, has died at least twice in two completely different time periods, yet is also alive and kicking as a normal 21st Century girl.

    River's existence might be complicated, but Clara's is impossible.
     
  17. Mister Fandango

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    They were riding a space scooter obviously designed to be used to jump from asteroid/moon to asteroid/moon. Anyone with half a brain wouldn't be wondering about the minute details of how it operates, because it's obvious that it was just a space scooter designed for jumping between asteroids/moons.

    Regarding midicholorians, I've never understood why people thought they were the source of the Force. The way they were talked about, it was clear that they were simply an indicator of it; ie, they increase in number the more powerful you likely are with the Force. Not that they have anything at all to do with it whatsoever.
     
  18. Starkers

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    My point was relating to something someone said about Clara being a threat to the Doctor, and clearly River was, technically, a threat to the Doctor as well!
     
  19. throwback

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    As for the TARDIS not liking Clara, I think that people are forgetting that the ship did more than lock the doors. The ship made a noise and the lights flickered dangerously, like someone expressing disapproval and/or anger.

    Science has always been dodgy in this franchise. I remember reading commentaries on this series, published by Mad Norwegian Press, in which the commentators discussed the science and demonstrated how flawed it was.

    I think the TARDIS, as an individual, selects which languages are translatable, based on her own subjective evaluation. She does seem to have given the Doctor greater latitude in the navigation of the ship; it was a running theme in the franchise that the Doctor would select one place and land at another.
     
  20. Cutter John

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    With so many languages being spoken, maybe the Tardis needed to prioritizing which aliens needed to be translate in order to conserve resources or processing power?