7X07 The Rings of Akhenaten (Grading/Discussion) (SPOILERS!)

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Grade "The Rings of Akhaten"

Poll closed May 7, 2013.
  1. Geronimo!

    15 vote(s)
    11.7%
  2. Good

    50 vote(s)
    39.1%
  3. Average

    36 vote(s)
    28.1%
  4. Bad

    18 vote(s)
    14.1%
  5. Terrible

    9 vote(s)
    7.0%
  1. Timelord Victorious

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    Shortly after they arrived the Doctor mentioned he was there before with his granddaughter...Right before he takes off and Clara bumps into the little girl for the first time.
     
  2. The Wormhole

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    Been thinking things over, got a nitpick. Clara's age. Last week, it's implied she's 24 (the most recent age printed in her book). This week it's implied she was 11 when her mother died (most recent age when standing in the cemetery).

    So now we got a problem, when is Clara supposed to be from? Since her mother died in 2005, and assuming Clara is meant to be from 2013, that would mean she should have been 16 in 2005. Interestingly enough, 16 is one of the ages (along with 23) that have been skipped over in her book (which some are specualting could be significant). On the other hand, if she were indeed 11 in 2005, than in order to be 24 she would be from 2018 which is consistent with all the leapfrogging through the modern years done throughout the first half of the season. Indeed, by time of their departure, Amy and Rory should have been from 2016 or so, even though that episode has 2012 spoken many times.

    Thoughts?
     
  3. RoJoHen

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    Well, Amy and Rory may have been in New York in 2012. That doesn't mean they left home in 2012. As of "The Power of Three," Amy said that she and Rory had been traveling with the Doctor for 10 years. But what is her reference point? In "The Eleventh Hour," wasn't there a two-year gap at the very end between the events with Prisoner Zero and the Doctor meeting up with Amy again? When does her "10 years with the Doctor" officially start?

    I'm just going to assume that Clara is from the not-so-distant future and not worry too much about the dates.
     
  4. The Wormhole

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    The ten years in the TARDIS thing was a matter of perspective. From Amy's persepctive, she's been travelling with the Doctor for ten years, even though from an outside perspective, it's only been six years.
     
  5. RoJoHen

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    Perhaps, but when does it start? Does it start with Prisoner Zero? Does it start two years later when she actually starts traveling with him?
     
  6. The Wormhole

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    I personally assume it starts two years later, when she actually started travelling with him.
     
  7. RoJoHen

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    Okay, and what year would that be then? What year is it when he meets 7-year old Amelia? What year is Prisonor Zero? There's also the two years that the Doctor was "dead" between The Wedding of River Song and The Doctor, the Widow, and the Wardrobe. Amy and Rory skipped ahead a lot. I've never really bothered to actually trace their timeline.

    I mean, it doesn't necessarily matter as far as Clara goes. The Doctor could have picked her up from any old time, but I wonder if he would avoid years where he knows the Ponds are still alive and kicking.
     
  8. The Wormhole

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    Season 5 is definitely 2010. The date of Amy and Rory's wedding (which Amy left with the Doctor the night before) was stated on screen to be June 26, 2010. Meaning Prisoner Zero was in 2008, and the Doctor met 7 year old Amelia in 1996 (twelve years prior to Prisoner Zero).

    Season 6 is set in 2011 (stated on screen) meaning in The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe the Doctor meets the Ponds on Christmas 2013. Asylum of the Daleks is presumably in 2014, let's say September since that's the month it aired. Dinosaurs on a Spaceship is ten months later, making it July 2015. The Power of Three is set from July of one year, to July of the next. I assumed that it began July 2015, to add some consistency, and therefore it ends in July 2016.
     
  9. Klaus

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    I was also wondering if they'd go that route... glad they didn't, though he still could have lost some memories.
     
  10. Psion

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    Ah! I see where you got mixed up. The book originally belonged to Clara's mother, and it was she who wrote "Property of Elle Ravenwood aged 11" into the first page. Clara's list of ages is on the next page.
     
  11. The Wormhole

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    So, in other words, Clara probably was 16 when her mother died in 2005 and therefore is from 2013? Makes sense.
     
  12. Psion

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    :techman:

    But I agree with the notion that the Ponds, towards the end, were likely from the future and only visiting 2012 in "Angels ...." Whether that was the show's intent is another issue. I bet the writers let that one get away from them.
     
  13. Haggis and tatties

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    Did i see this wrong or was she not understanding the alien language, i thought the tardis automatically translated all alien languages for anybody who travelled in it.

    Or have i got this wrong.
     
  14. RoJoHen

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    Nope, you've got that right. I was wondering the same thing.

    I wonder if it was intentional, or if Moffat just wasn't thinking. If intentional, it could go along with the "I don't think it likes me" comment that Clara made about the TARDIS.
     
  15. Neroon

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    Remember that Clara felt the TARDIS didn't like her, as it wouldn't let her back inside.
     
  16. Photoman15

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    I thought it didn't let her back inside because SHE DIDN'T HAVE A KEY and the door was locked. No one gets in without a key, except maybe the Doctor (oh snap).

    I think Clara saying the Tardis didn't like her was for Merry's to make light of the situation.
     
  17. RoJoHen

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    Sure, but writers don't just throw random dialogue in for no reason. Clara could have easily said, "It's locked!" instead of "I don't think it likes me."

    Given the little that we know about Clara, it's quite possible that she is some kind of temporal paradox. The TARDIS hates those.
     
  18. Photoman15

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    I think Clara saying the Tardis didn't like her was for Merry to make light of the situation.
     
  19. RoJoHen

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    Time will tell.
     
  20. Psion

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    Yep, I noticed this too.

    It could be deliberate, or it could be down to forgetful continuity. We'll have to wait and see. It's a Russian sub, this week, isn't it? There should be confirmation there.
     

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