7X05 The Angels Take Manhattan (Grading/Discussion) (SPOILERS!)

Discussion in 'Doctor Who' started by Samurai8472, Sep 29, 2012.

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Grade "The Angels Take Manhattan"

Poll closed Oct 30, 2012.
  1. The girl who waited

    100 vote(s)
    64.5%
  2. Something borrowed

    35 vote(s)
    22.6%
  3. Average

    10 vote(s)
    6.5%
  4. Is it bad that I really miss this?

    3 vote(s)
    1.9%
  5. You're Scottish, fry something

    7 vote(s)
    4.5%
  1. Mr Light

    Mr Light Admiral Admiral

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    I did read a Moffat interview where they said this season they were trying to cram a 90 minute movie of the week into 45 minutes every episode.
     
  2. Mr Pointy Ears

    Mr Pointy Ears Captain Captain

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    Even before the the epsiode ended,i had a feeling how the ponds were going to leave.
     
  3. Kruezerman

    Kruezerman Commodore Commodore

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    And that I think is the problem, he's trying too hard to put too much in. It all turns into a jumbled mess.
     
  4. The Mirrorball Man

    The Mirrorball Man Vice Admiral Admiral

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    I'd rather have a jumbled mess full of insane ideas than a classic three-act structure with an A plot and a B plot. Innovation trumps familiarity, as far as I'm concerned.
     
  5. Ghost Bones

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    Not really innovative though is it?
     
  6. The Wormhole

    The Wormhole Admiral Admiral

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    I take it you must not read anything about the show in advance, either spoilers or official statements from BBC or Moffat? Because we've known since the spring that this would the episode where the Ponds were going to leave. Indeed, Moffat himself revealed the Weeping Angels were going to be in the Ponds' farewell episode.
     
  7. Starkers

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    Once I knew it was the Angels, I highly suspected how it'd end, and actually I'm ok with that, sometimes you don't want your expectations confounded :)
     
  8. Yminale

    Yminale Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Uhm NO! Something that is familiar but well done is a lot better than a crazy mess.
     
  9. Yminale

    Yminale Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    This has been a problem since nuWho began. nuWho can do intimate character pieces real well, but epic storytelling, forget it. Even two parters seem to lose steam in the end.

    Maybe I've been spoiled by the great audio dramas from Big Finish but very few episodes have matched the quality of the better classic TV episodes.
     
  10. Kruezerman

    Kruezerman Commodore Commodore

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    Innovation is great, it's what's keeping the industry alive, but if the story can't be followed and it jumps all over the place, what's the point?

    Surely one can have both, surely the BBC, one of the world's largest media conglomerates knows this.
     
  11. Saul

    Saul Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Fixed points usually revolve around something historically significant that ALWAYS happened. Rory and Amy going back in time isn't unless they do something historically significant something so grandiose that it would become a fixed point... I don't see it though.
     
  12. Timelord Victorious

    Timelord Victorious Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I don't think it's a case of "Bowie Base 1".
    More like a Father's Day don't change your personal timeline thing.
     
  13. Saul

    Saul Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Surely them disappearing from their own timeline would be a bigger blunder to their personal timeline.
     
  14. danellis

    danellis Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Maybe not: maybe they'er their own great-grandparents? :rommie:

    dJE
     
  15. RoJoHen

    RoJoHen Awesome Premium Member

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    It just sucks that they rebooted the entire universe and managed to bring back Amy's whole family, only for her to lose them again by getting zapped back in time. I really do want to see how the Doctor deals with Amy's family in the "present day," if he does at all.
     
  16. Starkers

    Starkers Admiral Admiral

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    Yeah but the moment she got her family back she buggered off in the Tardis so she can't have been that bothered :lol:
     
  17. RoJoHen

    RoJoHen Awesome Premium Member

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    I'm more concerned with how her family is dealing with Amy suddenly being gone forever.

    Plus, after the universe rebooted, Amy had always had her family, so she had no reason to miss them anymore.
     
  18. The Mirrorball Man

    The Mirrorball Man Vice Admiral Admiral

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    A bit of a moot point since the story we're talking about could be followed easily.
     
  19. Kruezerman

    Kruezerman Commodore Commodore

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    Perhaps I should clarify, not the story of the episode (though that had pacing problems) but the story of the arch itself, indeed the season so far felt as if it doesn't make a lick of sense.
     
  20. The Mirrorball Man

    The Mirrorball Man Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Not a lick of sense? I don't know, it seemed to be pretty straightforward. The Doctor didn't want the Ponds to leave him, the Ponds were thinking about quitting anyway, and circumstances ultimately made the decision for them. That's the arc, isn't it? What's nonsensical about that? Or are you talking about something else?
     

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