7X05 The Angels Take Manhattan (Grading/Discussion) (SPOILERS!)

Discussion in 'Doctor Who' started by Samurai8472, Sep 29, 2012.

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Grade "The Angels Take Manhattan"

Poll closed Oct 30, 2012.
  1. The girl who waited

    100 vote(s)
    64.5%
  2. Something borrowed

    35 vote(s)
    22.6%
  3. Average

    10 vote(s)
    6.5%
  4. Is it bad that I really miss this?

    3 vote(s)
    1.9%
  5. You're Scottish, fry something

    7 vote(s)
    4.5%
  1. Worf2DS9

    Worf2DS9 Writer Rear Admiral

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    I actually liked the tragedy & finality of Rose's departure in "Doomsday". The problem was bringing her back when it was supposed to be impossible, then making her happy by giving her a human Doctor to play with.
     
  2. Allyn Gibson

    Allyn Gibson Vice Admiral Admiral

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    BBC America gets closer to 1.5 million viewers per episode. "Asylum of the Daleks" had 1.6 million viewers.
     
  3. RoJoHen

    RoJoHen Awesome Premium Member

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    I don't have any idea what effect this has on the numbers, but it might also be worth mentioning that not everybody in the US even gets BBC America. My cable provider doesn't carry it, so I've had to resort to other means of watching Doctor Who (the last couple years I waited for it to show up on Netflix; this season I subscribed to the season on iTunes).
     
  4. Sindatur

    Sindatur The Grey Owl Wizard Premium Member

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    Oh, OK, I thought it was around 6 Million, which I was thinking was actually incredible considering it's on a high tier of service, rather than on Basic Cable.

    So, then...Nevermind :alienblush:
     
  5. Mr Awe

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    I guess it just doesn't seem as dangerous as you state because River can just pop in. Why would it be OK for her but not the Doctor. Doesn't really make sense.

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  6. Mr Awe

    Mr Awe Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Nah, I'm pretty sure the indication was that they were sent back to the same time, 1938. So, he reached the age of 82 from there. Assuming he was 35ish (not really sure), that's 1938+47= Rory dying in 1985.

    Mr Awe
     
  7. Kanenas

    Kanenas Commodore Commodore

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    Thank you for expressing the frustration for the absurd aversion to happy endings. I would have like for Amy to be repaired by the sisters of mercy hospital and she and rory lived out a GOOD life as Mr. and Mrs. Williams with a bundle of little Williamses. (with that really cool red jag)

    Instead it is just another ...what you said.
     
  8. doubleohfive

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    I don't know if this is legit. It reads oddly as if it's fan-made with all the continuity porn included. Still, it's nicely done:

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  9. Starkers

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    Having watched it again, can I point out that the "Can't go to New York again it'll blow up" issue is not referenced as a reason for not seeing Rory and Amy, he just says he can't go to NY in 1938 again that's all. His reasoning for not seeing Rory and Amy is different (it may or may not make sense, but it is different, at least as far as I can see.)

    Oh yeah, and second time around I still loved it.
     
  10. davejames

    davejames Vice Admiral Admiral

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    It's possible that the Doctor feels that if he DOES see them again, the temptation would be too great to try to rescue them. Which is why he doesn't want to take the chance.
     
  11. Ghost Bones

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    You're not paying for it though are you, the license fee payer is.
     
  12. Sindatur

    Sindatur The Grey Owl Wizard Premium Member

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    Actually, if I recall correctly, BBCA is picking up about 50% to most of the budget for the "American" episodes, so, even if you're not getting the episode for free, you're getting a higher budget episode for less, I think :confused:

    Of course, one could still argue they would've preferred an episode with smaller budget that they paid a higher percentage of in order to keep it on your home soil with CGI.

    I wonder if they could do the CGI Central Park Icons + all the Weeping Angels on a budget 100% homegrown?
     
  13. Ghost Bones

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    Where's the souce for that?
     
  14. Sindatur

    Sindatur The Grey Owl Wizard Premium Member

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    BBCA Funding is an assumption, based upon S6, I am not stating it as fact, I am stating it as a question, if it still holds up in S7? Does it? Or did Moffat fund this one by himself, in addition to the Spain Location shooting for A Town Called Mercy? If Moffat's taken all this onto his own budget, I'm rather impressed with how he's stretched the Dollar, as I'm sure DoaS was CGI expensive, in addition to Location shooting in Spain and America, plus all the Daleks in the first episode. Matter of fact, the only episode, I think wouldn't be budget breaking (Unless you have Budget light episodes to steal from) is The Power of 3, as the Cubes were all so similar, they probably were cheaper in volume then they look.

    Some may not like the Episodes that were Produced, but, I think they had a High quality of stretching the Budget
     
  15. Mr. Adventure

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  16. STR

    STR Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    They stopped calling it that when NY Gov. Pataki left office. That was his name, and it was steeped in the same kind of half-baked jingoism that brought the world "freedom fries". The building is 1 World Trade Center, as opposed to the complete 7 World Trade and also-under-construction 4 World Trade Center (2 & 3 are stalled due to economy, 5 is in the early planning stages, there is no 6).

    And this episode was really awful. Seems they were just itching to get rid of A&R so they could get started on the "real" episodes. They spent the whole episodes talking about plot devices, rather than using said devices to tie up character or story arcs. The plot devices don't even gel with previous appearances of the same plot device, I know this show isn't about 100% continuity (it's part of the fun), but I expect things to be self-adhering in the same episode. Meh. Just...lots of wasted time and potential.
     
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  17. Mr. Adventure

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    At least the jingoism has its heart in a better place than Freedom Fries which was just a vindictive take that at the French for not backing the invasion as we wanted.
     
  18. Alidar Jarok

    Alidar Jarok Everything in moderation but moderation Moderator

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    Not really. It was more a punchline for stupid congress than anything else.
     
  19. Professor Zoom

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    Perhaps you should take it up with the BBC then. They think its a good expenditure of the money. Considering it raises the awareness of their franchise.

    Doesn't the BBC get a cut of DVD sales of Doctor Who? Perhaps it's a wise investment of the license fee.
     
  20. Samurai8472

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    I thought it was easily to spot. I visited it over the summer and the half completed glass on one side has become a trademark of it

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