7X01 Asylum Of The Daleks (Grading/Discussion) (SPOILERS!)

Discussion in 'Doctor Who' started by Samurai8472, Sep 1, 2012.

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Grade "Asylum Of The Daleks"

Poll closed Oct 1, 2012.
  1. Geronimo!

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  2. Good

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  3. Average

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  4. Save us!

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  1. Mr Awe

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  2. Count Zero

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    Yeah, sure, if we talk of our understanding of modern Western democracy. However, a parliament involves someone electing someone, i.e. a measure of democracy, even if there isn't universal suffrage. The Daleks were supposed to be stand-ins for the Nazis so that seems out-of-character for them. It seems to be kind of weird to introduce this new concept at the beginning of the episode without doing anything with it.
    However, that was only one of the things that bugged me. All of these things together drag the episode down for me.


    Sure. But there is a limit for me. At some point, the nitpicks will diminish my enjoyment of the episode/movie.


    No spoilers! :p I've only just finished season 14 of the old show.

    Yup, they had a cyber ruler and later a Cyberking. They aren't democrats, either, it seems. ;)


    Oh, by the way, I hope I'm not coming off as too whiny here but some of the CGI (especially the shot of the Dalek parliament) looked kind of bad and a little jarring. Have I been away too long from Who to notice that or is it real (the budget cuts taking their toll)?
     
  3. PorthosShadow

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    Alright, so it looks as if The Daleks (for the time being) have been fully re-established as an adversary. Does anyone think it's time for The Time Lords to make a come back? I know it's been on my wish list since the series came back but maybe just maybe SM is edging towards that possibility.
     
  4. Bob The Skutter

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    I think the CG took a hit in the upgrade to HD, they were talking about it being difficult to render quick enough at HD resolutions on the budget they had and it's been cut since.
     
  5. Mad Jack Wolfe

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    I look at the "Pathweb" as being a command and control system. Each Dalek can act independently, but orders and information conveyed via this web.

    And I thought the Dalek-fied humans were a lovely update of the old Roboman concept.
     
  6. davejames

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    Agreed. I far prefer this kind of story to the big, overblown RTD kind of thing with millions of Daleks flying through the sky or barking orders at each other for two solid hours.
     
  7. davejames

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  8. Aldo

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    I wonder what it is about the new companion that will cause him to act differently? Perhaps she really is going to be tied to Oswin from AotD? I still think a former Dalek becoming the companion would be too cool for words.
     
  9. Pindar

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    Oswin and the path web are reminiscent of Susan Mendes from Dalek Empire.
     
  10. Butters

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    Not me. I like this twirling unleashed inner-child on a sugar rush incarnation.
     
  11. Samurai8472

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    This is beginning to sound more like a "Leisure Hive" overhaul of the series.
     
  12. Ghost Bones

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    Well the Parliament bit might be nitpicking (though when every Parliament in the world means a democratically elected body, you'd think a more appropriate word would have been come up with), but things like it being lit like shit or being resolved by stupid magic bollocks we've never heard of before are more than nitpicking. Maybe I'll start calling mindless praise of something "dicking" or somesuch.
     
  13. Alidar Jarok

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    The Deus Ex ending (to the extent it was) can be a valid criticism. I won't call that bitching. I think it was well-established in the episode (and certainly, there's nothing new about nanogenes), but you might disagree with me. That's fair and it actually has something to do with the plot of the episode.
     
  14. davejames

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    Well I'm sure we'll still see some of that (just because that's the way Matt Smith naturally is), but I also think he could do a great job playing a subtler, more mysterious kind of Doctor too.

    Plus, seeing how cheery and animated Coleman's character is, I think you probably need someone a bit more mature to balance that out. Otherwise it could all get a bit exhausting.
     
  15. Alidar Jarok

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    That may be part of the reason.

    Matt Smith does play somber Doctor very well when he does it, but Matt Smith himself is very much like his character. While I applaud more of a balance, I hope his zaniness doesn't disappear entirely. He could at least use it as a distraction to enemies, per Doctor Who tradition.
     
  16. Starkers

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    Of course the Nazis were democratically elected...:) That's me being pedantic, I do get what you mean. Perhaps it's simply that, having been defeated with an Emperor at the helm, and having been defeated with Davros in charge, maybe they've decided to go down a more egalitarian route...:lol:

    Seriously though I don't recall seeing anything to suggest the Daleks don't have a rank structure/don't discuss their plans, form strategies as a unit.
     
  17. Count Zero

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    I could be even more pedantic and bore you all to death with a lecture about the state of democracy at the end of the Weimar Republic but I won't and just leave it at this: they did get rid of parliament as soon as possible. Which is what I meant.


    As I said, I think it's an interesting notion. But it's odd to introduce this and then not do anything with it and not explore it further. Then again, maybe someone will in the future.
     
  18. JoeZhang

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    So is the outfit in the picture the 'standard' outfit going forward from the Christmas special?
     
  19. Rosalind

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    according to Wikipedia:

    "The Great Hall of the People ... It functions as the meeting place of the National People's Congress, the Chinese parliament."

    So how you define a parliament is different to how individual nation define their own parliament.
     
  20. davejames

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    Probably so, considering this was an officially released photo.

    I think it looks really cool myself. Although I do think it's a shame we didn't get to see more of the green coat first. I guess they must have had second thoughts about that one.