5 year old given rifle as gift, kills 2 year old sister

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous' started by Candlelight, May 1, 2013.

  1. cooleddie74

    cooleddie74 Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2001
    Location:
    The Warped Sector of the Demented Quadrant
    Yeah, I don't get where the "you're going to ban everything" hysteria comes from except from irrational paranoia on the scale of Oliver Stone dropping acid. Who's banned anything? Who's going to even come close to banning anything? We can't even get mandatory, nationwide criminal and mental illness background checks passed without catcalls that the Constitution is being trampled on by Imaginary Hitler and we're one short step away from the planet that Landru ruled.

    Shit, we've had at least two posters defend using mail order to buy rifles, and without any background checks being conducted during the purchasing process. How unhinged and/or big an irresponsible asshole do you have to be to want people to be buy guns and live ammunition through mail order and without any checks on the buyer?

    A guy named Lee Harvey Oswald did just that. Twice. The results: a murder attempt on a U.S. Army general, a dead police officer, a Texas governor with multiple bullet wounds and the assassination of the 35th President of the United States.
     
  2. Davros

    Davros Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2001
    Location:
    Kaled bunker, Skaro
    If they can't sell the fear of weapons seizing government, their entire argument falls apart.
     
  3. cooleddie74

    cooleddie74 Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2001
    Location:
    The Warped Sector of the Demented Quadrant
    Not like it was the most bulletproof argument to begin with. No pun intended.
     
  4. gturner

    gturner Admiral

    Joined:
    Nov 9, 2005
    Location:
    Kentucky
    Well, so you've even lost anti-gun crusaders Joe Scarborough and Piers Morgan on background checks.

    Amusingly, we already have background checks and they can't work much better than the currently do, unless you live in the fantasy land where criminals selling guns to each other check each other for a valid ID and then call federal law enforcement for permission to commit a crime (you should push for bank robbery permits). The system fails to respond so often that honest private gun sellers will just assume that the buyer was just being victimized by Obama campaign operatives and go ahead and sell the gun anyway, taking care to pass it through three or four hacked identities to keep everything legal, when their not running background checks on their daughter's new boyfriend's family.
     
  5. Chatty

    Chatty Ensign Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2005
    Location:
    Natchez, MS
    I know it's probably been said in this thread before, having 19 pages and all, but banning guns isn't the solution. Teaching safe gun handling is.

    And the gun should never have been left where he could get to it, whether loaded (as it was) or unloaded. Guns are not toys. My father taught me to handle guns when I was a teen after he retired from the AF and I'm now 53 with four grandchildren. For a five year old, the gun should have been put up until a responsible adult could supervise and teach him gun safety.

    And water guns just teach a kid that they can point a gun at others and 'shoot' them, it doesn't teach them that bullets will kill if shot into a living thing.
     
  6. JarodRussell

    JarodRussell Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2009
    You wouldn't give a 5-year-old a kitchen knife or access to household chemicals, so why would you give him access to a gun?
     
  7. Chatty

    Chatty Ensign Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2005
    Location:
    Natchez, MS
    That was my point, the rifle should have been put up until a responsible adult could take him somewhere safe to teach him to shoot it. It was gross negligence for the parents to leave it leaning in a corner, loaded or not.
     
  8. JarodRussell

    JarodRussell Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2009
    My point goes even further: would you really ever give a 5-year old a kitchen knife? You wouldn't, not even for "educational purposes" like showing how to cut vegetables with it. You don't do that with a 5-year old.

    You also don't confront a 5-year-old with pornography.
    You wouldn't let a 5-year-old drive a car.
    You wouldn't let a 5-year-old shop for groceries.
    You wouldn't give a 5-year-old a lighter.
    You wouldn't give a 5-year-old a hair-dryer next to a filled bathtub.
    You wouldn't give a 5-year-old your razor blade.
    You wouldn't give a 5-year-old beer or cigarettes.

    So why the FUCK would you EVER give a 5-year-old a FUCKING GUN?!?!
     
  9. Peach Wookiee

    Peach Wookiee Cuddly Mod of Doom Moderator

    Joined:
    May 12, 2001
    Location:
    Peach Wookiee
    I can disagree about the teaching to cut veggies. My brother did so at school at the age of four. Granted, that was 1979.
     
  10. JarodRussell

    JarodRussell Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2009
    I'd say that's way too early. At four, the kid's going to say "I can handle this shit" at SOME point and going to try something with the knife that will end up badly when nobody else is around.

    There is the fascination of forbidden stuff (when you clearly forbid a kitchen knife, the kid is at some point going to play with it anyways), but then there's also the false sense of confidence (that the kid thinks it can handle it because it did have a course).

    At that early age, you need to satisfy the kid's curiosity by showing it to them, let them touch it, show them what it's capable of, etc... . But THEN clearly forbid it. As it's "not a toy".

    And for kids at that age, everything IS a toy.
     
  11. Davros

    Davros Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2001
    Location:
    Kaled bunker, Skaro
    Except that gun show loophole everybody has been trying to close.

    Your opinion.

    Why would they go to a criminal, when they could just go to a gun show? And if we can't have a law because criminals will break it, why do we have any laws?

    Family and friends were exempt from the expanded background checks that were recently filibustered in the senate.
     
  12. SeerSGB

    SeerSGB Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2003
    Location:
    RIP Leonard Nimoy
    Another group of parents for "parents of the year":

    Gods damn it people. Guns + Kids in the house = Lock that shit up where they can't get to it.

    "Should be charged"? The two year old got the gun and was able to fire it. Yes, I would think that means the damn thing wasn't properly stored and/or locked.
     
  13. Stoo

    Stoo Captain Premium Member

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2013
    Wow, it's lucky the kid survived.

    Apart from matters of locks, why was the thing lying around loaded?
     
  14. gturner

    gturner Admiral

    Joined:
    Nov 9, 2005
    Location:
    Kentucky
    The FFL dealers at the gunshows already run background checks, and have ever since the NCIS system was implemented in 1998, since the law says all FFL dealers must run background checks, regardless of where the sale is made. That's why Google suggests "myth" following "gun show loophole". I remember when the irritating issue at gun shows was running phone lines for all the vendor booths so they could run the checks.
     
  15. MacLeod

    MacLeod Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2001
    Location:
    Great Britain
    Isn't it NICS check?
     
  16. Owain Taggart

    Owain Taggart Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2009
    Location:
    Northern Ontario, Canada

    Exactly! Amen! To a kid that age, there simply isn't any distinction. As I've said before in this thread, a kid isn't going to know any better. They're often going to mimic what is being done by their parents. And I keep going over in my mind how much worse that could have been with that fact in mind, say if he sees kids playing with toy guns and grabs his. An accident waiting to happen, no matter what.
     
  17. cooleddie74

    cooleddie74 Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2001
    Location:
    The Warped Sector of the Demented Quadrant
    The parents are idiots who don't deserve to own a firearm. That's why.
     
    Last edited: May 21, 2013
  18. Tribble puncher

    Tribble puncher Commander Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2012
    Location:
    Washington, OK

    You can tell what kinds of parents these people are, Mom went out for "3 minutes" (prob. smoking a cigarette while kids are running around in house.) but as above poster stated, the problem is not that guns made for children exist, it's that adult's like these are idiot's with firearm's. the gun should have been safely locked up with a trigger lock installed on it.
     
  19. Jimi_James

    Jimi_James Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2007
    Location:
    Gettin' Lucky in Kentucky
    I had avoided this story but came across it again yesterday and didn't find out until then that it had taken place in Ky, where I currently reside. It's makes my proud to know my state is full of such intelligent individuals...and by proud, I mean terribly ashamed.

    I hate it here, but I suppose there is stupid everywhere. Anyone on the west coast want a house guest? I'm ready to leave Ky.
     
  20. JarodRussell

    JarodRussell Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2009
    All for recreational purposes of course.

    [​IMG]
     

Share This Page