5 reasons Into Darkness is a great Trek film

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by King Daniel Beyond, Sep 4, 2013.

  1. Greg Cox

    Greg Cox Admiral Premium Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2004
    Location:
    Oxford, PA
    Exactly. What's annoying is the way everybody is treating this so-called "poll" as though it actually reflects the views of all us old-school Trek fans . . . .
     
  2. BillJ

    BillJ Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2001
    Location:
    alt.nerd.obsessive.pic
    That 87% is the ranking of critics, 91% of people who saw it (229,573), liked it.

    http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_trek_into_darkness/
     
  3. Opus

    Opus Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2003
    Location:
    Bloom County
    Maybe the reason financially successful movies are getting good reviews is because they are... good?

    I am of the opinion that people are more discriminating with how they spend their money on movies, given that a movie's theater run is much shorter and the home theater experience is much better and more cost effective these days. People are more willing to open their wallets for a movie that is deemed "worth it".
     
  4. CorporalClegg

    CorporalClegg Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2001
    Location:
    Land of Enchantment
    I agree. If it hadn't been for the actor, MontalKhan would have long since been forgotten. I think Marcus was much the same. The character himself was not well conceived, but Weller made the best of it. But I think that's the trend with most great cinematic villains. There are very few who start out great on the page.
     
  5. thumbtack

    thumbtack Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2002
    Location:
    Ankh-Morpork
    Steel Magnolias is the best Star Trek film, and Faraci would have made damn sure that finished above Into Darkness as well.
     
  6. M'Sharak

    M'Sharak Definitely Herbert. Maybe. Moderator

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2002
    Location:
    Terra Inlandia, Kelvin timeline
    With Curt Jurgens as the Romulan Commander and Theo Bikel as Centurion.
     
  7. suarezguy

    suarezguy Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2008
    Location:
    Albuquerque, NM, USA
    He was evil and even at times maniacal but I thought he also had significant pathos, notably "Admiral Kirk never bothered to check on our progress" and the buried alive monologue.
     
  8. st4ever

    st4ever Cadet Newbie

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2013
    Location:
    Cashiers, NC
    Allegorical Message:

    I thought Into Darkness held a great a message, and was neatly wrapped off with Kirk's speech at the end of the film, about giving in to certain feelings can lead one "Into Darkness". My only complaint was I felt the message got lost at some point about 2/3 through the run.

    Opening Sequence:

    I have to agree that (now that I recall) this was a lot like a TOS episode feel, and I love the way the Enterprise warped off with the main musical score.

    Above Average Villains:

    Eh, yes and no. Cumberbatch was awesome, but he is not a good Khan, he is a good John Harrison. I always enjoy a good Peter Weller, and his character was a pleasant surprise.

    Emotional Resonance:

    I thought the Kirk/Pike scenes were wonderful and the same with Kirk/Spock.

    Fun Factor:

    Yeah this is pretty much my number one as well, it's just a fun ride that is exciting throughout. Love the effects and the variety of action, though I always want more ship on ship battles (like something out of Nemesis, one of the redeeming qualities of that film).
     
  9. Coloratura

    Coloratura Snuggle Princess Premium Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2002
    Location:
    Ohio, USA
    King Lear is the best Star Trek movie ever made.
     
  10. Flying Spaghetti Monster

    Flying Spaghetti Monster Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2006
    Location:
    Flying Spaghetti Western
    I agree he had a lot of pathos. He's the perfect villain. He's not - nor ever was - a complex villain. And yet he wasn't quite two-dimensional either. In addition to the pathos, he was imbued with believable motivations for his villainy, and Montaban gave it that extra push. But that film was never about Khan. They developed his reasoning and why he was such a threat early in the film.. not two dimensional but not overly-complex - but they never forgot that the film itself was about Kirk, and Khan was just enough of a wedge to push Kirk from his complacency back to a great captain who needed to learn the toughest lesson of all: the no-win scenario. The film was never about Khan.
     
  11. SalvorHardin

    SalvorHardin Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2008
    Location:
    Star's End
    Only the original Klingon film. None of those shitty Terran reboots/rehashes ever came close to it.
     
  12. serenitytrek1

    serenitytrek1 Commander

    Joined:
    May 5, 2012
    the fabulous and colourful cast of actors

    [​IMG]
     
  13. JWPlatt

    JWPlatt Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Nov 13, 2008
    It looks like a poster designed by the Microsoft Windows 8 Fisher-Price Team. ;)
     
  14. Coloratura

    Coloratura Snuggle Princess Premium Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2002
    Location:
    Ohio, USA
    Which film?

    Earth, Ebert. 1988.
     
  15. Keeper

    Keeper Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2007
    Location:
    Land of Illusion
    The following includes ST09 as well.

    1. It was fun.

    2. It is the closest thing to TOS I've ever seen.

    3. It was fun.

    4. Non-fans actually want to watch it. (neighbors already asked to borrow STID)

    5. Did I mention how fun it was?
     
  16. BillJ

    BillJ Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2001
    Location:
    alt.nerd.obsessive.pic
    :techman:
     
  17. Franklin

    Franklin Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2006
    Location:
    In the bleachers.
    I guess Saldana is Alice in this picture?

    Pine looks in character. [HERESY ALERT!] You know, he may out-Kirk Shatner. [/HERESY ALERT!]
     
  18. Flying Spaghetti Monster

    Flying Spaghetti Monster Vice Admiral Admiral

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2006
    Location:
    Flying Spaghetti Western
    I was talking about the Wrath Of Khan
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 11, 2013
  19. Coloratura

    Coloratura Snuggle Princess Premium Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2002
    Location:
    Ohio, USA
    Thank you.
     
  20. Kruezerman

    Kruezerman Commodore Commodore

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2012
    Location:
    Meatloaf with Macaroni and Cheese
    Quinto looks so cute in that pic. :alienblush: