38 minutes of the film in Brasil - SPOILERS!

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  1. ralph

    ralph Captain Captain

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    Bryan Burk was in Brazil and it showed 28 minutes of film and two scenes with five minutes each.

    source: Trek Brasilis

    I can not translate everything in english but I give you some tips.:techman:

    "Peter Weller is Admiral Marcus (scenes do not show if he is Carol Marcus´s father). He is important to the plot. He makes decisions.
    Christopher Pike calls Kirk for a meeting. Kirk tells Spock, "they will call us for that five-year mission".
    Kirk lied in his report about Nibiru, but not Spock.
    Kirk was relieved of his command of Enterprise.
    Pike is the captain of the Enterprise again but he puts Kirk as his first officer.
    Spock is on another ship.
    Harrison gives the medicine to save daughter's Clark. Clark's character goes to a library Fleet, places the ring on the water. It begins to effervesce and ... BOOM!
    Emergency meeting. All senior officers and captains meeting.
    Kirk is present although not more starship captain.
    Kirk says he finds it illogical attacking a library, unless he wants all together. Bingo!
    Harrison comes through the window in a ship, attacking everyone. Almost everyone in the room die.
    Harrison shoots the Captain Pike (the scene ends and it is not known if he dies)."
     
  2. SalvorHardin

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    Google translation, for what it's worth

    Prologue

    The film opens in IMAX, with some changes in relation to what was seen before the screening of The Hobbit. Captain Kirk and McCoy are in a Class M planet, fleeing a people at a stage equivalent to our Stone Age. They run through a sensational kills, red, in order to take those people away from an erupting volcano. Volcano that can not only kill them, but end up with the entire planet.

    Meanwhile, in a ship service, Spock, Uhura and Sulu flying over the volcano. Spock will go down to the crater, from inside, blow up an artifact that will freeze the lava. The Vulcan, with a special outfit (which reminds one used by Spock in the original Star Trek - The Movie) begins the descent, but it backfires and the cable that holds the official breaks. Luckily, he falls into a glowing stone and begins procedures to save the planet.

    Kirk and McCoy continue to flee. After arriving on a cliff, they play and fall into the sea. Died? Nothing: they rightly wanted LOG on the USS Enterprise, which is at the bottom of the ocean on the planet.

    "Mimimi, a starship in the sea," many people said that when he saw it happening in the trailer. You see, in the context of the film, it makes a lot of sense. The ship's crew can not, on account of the 1st Guideline, prove to the people. So, if you hide at sea makes a lot of sense and shields that can withstand stellar battle should serve to hold some water with salt. Not to mention that Mr. Scott, to receive the captain on the ship begins to lift a 888 reasons to leave the Enterprise in the ocean is crazy. That is, all that is really absurd. That's the idea. Mainly because these attitudes charge a price soon after.

    In Command Bridge, Kirk gets the warning: Spock is alive and began counting device in the volcano. If the lava does not kill you, blast freezing will. Worse, in that situation, it is impossible to use teleportation. They need to leave the sea.

    "You should not save me, Captain. Going against the 1st guideline, "says Vulcan. "Are you suggesting that let him die?" Replies Jim Kirk. "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." PUTAQUEPARIU! It speaks of the death of Spock in Star Trek II - The Wrath of Khan.

    Needless to say that Captain James Tiberius Kirk does: he takes the USS Enterprise from the sea, bringing a terrifying vision that people and at the same time surprising that awaits them in the future.

    How amazing to see that ship out of the water in huge IMAX. You do not even remember most of mimimi.

    And so, at the last second, Spock is beamed into the ship. "Captain, you have violated the 1st guideline." "Oh, they did not even notice."

    Not? Taken together, the inhabitants of the planet begin to draw the USS Enterprise on the floor. The design reveals a transition to a ship in space that then begins to come into the fold. A SCENE OF BENDING AMAZING, as was ever made and that should get even more fucked in 3D. Come up with a sound track of the franchise. On the screen appears the credits: Star Trek - Into Darkness.

    And that's the end of the prologue.



    New Captain

    In the next scene we see a Starfleet officer in London. He, with his wife, accompanies her daughter to a hospital. She is very sick and should not live long. The official, upset, walks the neighborhood of the hospital and is approached by a man. He introduces himself as John Harrison. "You want to save your daughter?" Says the man.

    Yes, it's the film's villain, played by Benedict Cumberbatch.

    Meanwhile, Kirk found in San Francisco, the city of Starfleet. He wakes up with TWO women-cat in bed. However, a message takes out quickly. Christopher Pike summoned to a meeting. He meets Spock in the way and starts talking, excited, "they will call us for that five-year mission, Spock." Yeap! It is a five-year mission that motivates the original series. ;)

    Only there the news is not very good. We found that the Enterprise should only monitor the volcano, and not meddle in that confusion, much less go against the 1st guideline. What's worse, while Spock was sincere in his report, Kirk lied completely. "It would be illogical to lie." Yeah, that's Mr. Spock we know.

    Because of these attitudes thoughtless, Pike said Kirk is not ready to be the captain of the Enterprise (which is true, after all the new timeline he assumes command younger than in the original version). Thus, the admiral put Marcus Pike again as captain of the ship and Kirk sent back to the academy.

    I did not say that the scenes from the beginning of the film would have a consequence?

    Back in London, we see Harrison preparing something for the official Troop. Includes a ring and a remedy. With the medicine, the guy saved his daughter's life. Then he goes to a library of Troop in town. Inside - the deal is in the basement - places the ring he was wearing in the water. He begins to effervesce and ... BOOM!

    Everything blows up.



    The actual attack

    Again the film back to San Francisco. Jim is in a bar, getting drunk after being demoted. When he will exert all its glory as Kirk xavecar for, behold, Pike appears. He has good news: Jim persuaded Marcus to put him as first officer on the Enterprise while Spock is transferred to another ship.

    Not enough time to take a booze to celebrate: Pike is summoned to an emergency meeting.

    On the way, Kirk finds Spock and tells what happened. "The penalty is low considering what we did," says the guy in the pointy ears and green blood. "Spock, I know that you have chosen not to have feelings and I appreciate that, but would like to see at least once compassion in his eyes."

    It's nice to see that. Spock and Kirk, after the events of the first film, now are friends - in a way as is seen in the original series. The speeches of one another are acidic, leaving the friendship of these guys so different even more exciting.

    The meeting then begins. Right now is one of the mysteries of savvy film: Peter Weller, Robocop eternal, plays Admiral Marcus - probably the father of the scientist Carol Marcus, with whom Kirk has a son in the chronology and original that is also present in addition to the Darkness.

    With all the captains and first officers present, the Admiral reveals what went down in London. Someone is attacking the United Federation of Planets and they should fight back. And the author of this attack came from within: is John Harrison, part of the Fleet. There are pictures of him at the site of the attack.

    At the head of Kirk that made no sense. He wanted to explain what he was thinking, but Pike does not leave. Marcus realizes the movement and ultimately forcing the first officer now explain what you're thinking. "It makes no sense. Why would he attack a library? It is a public place. There is nothing there to harm us. But he knows that it would meet us here in this room ... ". Jim does not even need to finish the sentence. Harrison comes through the window in a ship, ATTACKING EVERYONE!

    Captains and senior officers dying. The villain soon reaches the core active Starfleet. Of course it is always Kirk and Kirk eventually finds a way to topple the craft. Not before it reaches the captain Harrison Pike.

    Before falling, Harrison Kirk looks good in the eyes. Then the guy is teleported. The ship crashes and ...

    Hacker. : (



    Enterprise falling

    Then was shown a five-minute scene, which takes place later on in the film. We see the USS Enterprise completely detonated, destroyed and with industries being attracted by Earth's gravity. The spacecraft will fall. Acting Captain Spock begins the process of evacuation and asks everyone to abandon their posts. He, however, will stay. "With all due respect to master, but nobody will abandon ship," said Sulu.

    Because, if they do not avoid the fall or divert the ship to sea, many people can die on Earth ...

    There in the middle, Kirk and Scott are going to engineering to try to stabilize the ship and do anything else that might save her. The Enterprise twists and turns in all directions and see a lot of people, but MANY PEOPLE, plummeting to his death by runners and engineering.

    The scene ends with the Enterprise almost falling on our planet. Is this the end of the ship?



    Fugue in San Francisco

    The next scene takes place right after and now seems to be the climax of Beyond the Darkness - Star Trek. Harrison is a city that seems to be San Francisco, and Spock is teleported. Begins a chase through the streets, buildings and even windows, until the villain is played over a transport ship. Spock does the same and both come out in a fight.

    Harrison jumps to another ship when Spock will do the same ... Hacker.



    Some conclusions

    From what has to see JJ Abrams is really committed to bringing Star Trek to a place never seen before in the franchise. The villain, played by Benedict Cumberbatch incredibly, acts more like a warrior than as an alien army bent on ending universal peace.

    Now ... Does John Harrison really is Khan? There is no hint of this in the scenes displayed. What gives to realize is that he is someone who wants revenge against Fleet. I'd say he's more fit Vulcan (brother / relative of Spock after an operation, as some rumors say) seeking revenge for the destruction of the planet than Khan.

    Still, something is sure: whoever the villain, the first name is not John Harrison. It turns out that everything he does is to get the revenge he craves and, therefore, assume the identity of a Starfleet officer sounds more like something to meet the captains and first officers in the initial attack against the headquarters of Starfleet.

    Already revenge against the villain Kirk apparently has a simple motivation: with the likely death of Pike, Jim loses one who considers a second father.

    Ah, yes: one of my guesses, that Peter Weller could be Khan, was literally into space. As I said, he plays the admiral Marcus. Of course it is always a plot twist amazing there, but it's quite difficult to happen.
     
  3. ralph

    ralph Captain Captain

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    clarifying. The source is O Judão, Trek Brasilis only transcribed what they said.
     
  4. King Daniel Beyond

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    Dammit, I wish I hadn't skimmed those spoilers. I've reached my threshold. Time for me to say bye-bye from these Into Darkness threads until May 9th:(
     
  5. SalvorHardin

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    I kinda feel that way too.
    God damn Abrams & Burk...go back to secrecy.:klingon:
     
  6. Oso Blanco

    Oso Blanco Commodore Commodore

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    I ... must ... resist ... :brickwall:
     
  7. The Wormhole

    The Wormhole Admiral Admiral

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    Finally! Something substantial! It's several months late, but better than nothing, I guess.
     
  8. Franklin

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    Wow. Afraid to say this, but I can't say it excites me. Not a nice read. And that's not because of the Google translation.

    Especially --
    After so many quibbles on this board about whether or not saving Spock and those people on that planet violated the Prime Directive and got Kirk into trouble, apparently it did. In other words, a very TNG interpretation of the directive. That's disappointing, really. Think of the alternative. Pike lets Kirk command the Enterprise on its first five year mission because he followed the PD and observed the volcano as the civilization went into extinction? That's what a humanitarian armada does? Let a planet die, and you get command of a starship for five years? Save them, and you are demoted and sent back to the academy? Interesting Starfleet ethics.

    Clarke agrees to become a suicide bomber/terrorist in order to save his daughter? The decision is that easy? No alternatives? No way to foil it? Harrison saves his daughter, now he must kill himself and a bunch of others as part of the bargain? Really? That's the only way Harrison could deliver a bomb to where he wanted it? By having a person go in, and the person even has to stay to detonate it? No timer? This is the best that can be done with 23rd century technology?

    About being 100 percent truthful in his log, Spock tells Kirk that it's illogical to lie? Didn't we see Spock Prime have a conversation with Spock? Did any of that sink in? "Do what feels right." He could do no better than implicate Kirk in a violation of the PD? And Kirk has so little integrity that he just lies in his log rather than tell the truth and explain and defend how his actions were at least in the spirit of the PD, as he was in TOS a number of times? No, Kirk just covers up what he really did? Really? I never saw that ability in Kirk's character. Outright lies. And he's apparently back to drinking after being demoted. Nice.

    I hope the rest of the movie makes a lot more sense. Or this is one really, really bad translation.
     
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  9. ralph

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    We do not know if these 38 minutes were in sequence or were parts of the movie. We need to see the whole thing to have a more accurate conclusion.

    between you and me, Prime Directive was always something contradictory about what TOS said "to discover new civilizations".
     
  10. yousirname

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    It seemed to me that the aftermath is more about the natives having seen the Enterprise than Kirk having saved any natives. The fact that they begin to scrawl images of it suggests to me that its image becomes a focus of worship - definitely polluting the culture. Of course I'm going by the same translation as you and am only guessing, but I think that's likely to be the big issue.

    And I take it we can assume "PUTAQUEPARIU!" is the Portuguese for "Squee!":lol:
     
  11. serenitytrek1

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    38 minutes?

    38 MINTUES????

    WOW....That is way too much.

    I must say ....I just skimmed through the spoilers ..I didn’t read everything and neither did I get the whole story.

    I like Spoilers but this is way too much.
     
  12. shatastrophic

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    If true...I think it sounds great. I have friends who aren't into Trek but r gonna see it with me and they will be into this. Also, on occasion, I like to be taken out of my comfort zone which this movie might do...where comfort zones and Trek are concerned. Im kinda excited...
     
  13. Sindatur

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    Nope, not gonna bother looking. I know plenty enough about the movie already (And haven't seen the opening 9 minutes yet either). Seeing this much, or knowing this much aboutthe movie ahead of time, isn't to my taste at all, it's way too much, IMHO.
     
  14. serenitytrek1

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    YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES.

    They need to go back to secrecy. Releasing new photos would have been fine but my gosh showing 38 minutes of the film?

    it makes the film look cheap and tacky.
     
  15. Tom Servo

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    No it doesn't. Not at all. They did it with the first one too.

    It seems like every time they release or show something, it's too much or too little for you.
     
  16. SalvorHardin

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    I'm not sure I follow you.:confused:
     
  17. Franklin

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    Going covert:
    Yeah. It's implied the natives not only see the Enterprise, but probably believe it saved them. It could become a story in their culture, or even part of a religion. But would it have a lasting effect on their development? That's problematic.

    That said. It's always seemed to me that Kirk lived by the mantra, "It's easier to apologize than to get permission." Whether or not Kirk would be punished, he'd stick by what he did, not cover it up, and say to Pike, "Gee sir. You're right. I should be punished, because it's far better to let a few million people on a planet die from a catastrophe that we can prevent than it is to 'pollute' their culture simply because they're unfortunate enough to be pre-warp and see a UFO. Yes, sir. I can see why it was so much better to just watch these people become extinct. We don't want to be God. Better to let them die than intervene however clandestine. Oh, wait. Letting them die, that's being God, too, isn't it, sir? Oh, well, I stand by what I did and accept my punishment."
    That's more like Kirk, and better than lying about it from the start. That seems soooo out of character.
    Further, what ever happened to courts martial? Doesn't Kirk get due process before being relieved of command and demoted? There was a hearing about cheating on the K-M test. Or did he wave due process and admit he lied in his log?

    According to Google, one translation of "putaquepariu" is "holy shit!" "Putaquepariu!" indeed. :lol:
     
  18. ralph

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    Yes or PUTAQUEPARIU! = Holy shit! Fucking fuck! :techman:
     
  19. ralph

    ralph Captain Captain

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    yes it is true. But I'm not sure who posted the spoilers had permission to do it.
     
  20. serenitytrek1

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    I am just moderate...I don’t like over the top secrecy neither do I like way too much exposure.I like it somewhere in the middle.
     

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