15 Reasons JJ "Ruined & Destroyed" Star Trek

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by doubleohfive, Oct 9, 2012.

  1. Therin of Andor

    Therin of Andor Admiral Admiral

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    Exactly. But the "it made lots of money" factoid is simply a tangible piece of evidence that something about this movie excited general audiences and had them telling their friends, and coming back for more viewings themselves.

    I certainly enjoyed my time in the cinema with it, and I really don't begrudge people loving it. It did surprise me that the story was essentially a live-action/CGI remake of the animated "FernGully: The Last Rainforest".

    It didn't! ;)
     
  2. Set Harth

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    By putting Kirk's mother in the wrong place, that's how!

    She was supposed to be in the kitchen. Or something.
     
  3. CommanderRaytas

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    It's hyperbole time!

    :beer:

    :lol:
     
  4. M'Sharak

    M'Sharak Definitely Herbert. Maybe. Moderator

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    If the argument consists of "it made a lot of money, get over it" and nothing more, then yes, it's pretty weak and likely to be annoying when presented. Granted.

    However...

    Do you really believe that unqualified statements about "the demographic that liked JJ Trek" are in some way superior to or more satisfying than the "it made a pile of money" ones? Which demographic would that be? (Feel free to cite evidence in support of your position.*)


    .

    (* ...but please, please, please: don't bring the "Young ADD people like JJ-Trek; older, more sensible and mature people prefer Real Trek™" canard - that one's lame and never did work.)
     
  5. Kruezerman

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    I want to meet this so called "ADD Generation" I'm apparently apart of. Sounds like a good party.
     
  6. Coloratura

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    Exactly. It was fun. It was contemporary while being nostalgic, fast paced while still developing the character traits we all recognize, and it was just a great story.

    Now, for this next movie, my expectations are very high, because I've seen the quality that can be produced from J.J., but even if he doesn't meet all of those expectations (very few could), as long as the movie is fun, I will enjoy it.
     
  7. serenitytrek1

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    Good point. I have always preferred critical acclaimed films over commercially accliamed films. I mean just look at the horror of the Twilight films?

    Sure Trek 2009 made money for a Trek film (386,000,000 dollars to be exact) but it still pales in comparison to box office earnings of harry potter or star wars.

    I enjoy discussing the films ratings on metacritic and rottentomatoes rather than what box office mojo says about its ticket sales.

    Its all about quality not quantitiy.
     
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  8. DonIago

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    Conveniently, Trek '09 also received critical acclaim.
     
  9. serenitytrek1

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    yeap...

    95% fresh on RT

    83/100 on Metacritic

    4 oscar nominations including 1 win


    Please just how did JJ destroy trek? he even tried to save many core trek TOS fans feelings when he kept on saying his film is set in an alternate reality and doesn’t change anything from the TOS universe and yet people like trekfreek wants the man to be exiled from the trek universe.

    Not fair at all:confused:
     
  10. teacake

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    As long as I am looking at Quinto as NuSpock I will also enjoy it :D
     
  11. Set Harth

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    Well, technically it does change the Prime universe to some extent.

    The post-Nemesis Prime universe is now missing a Spock, a Nero, and a Romulus.
     
  12. Sindatur

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    And that's one of the nicer suggestions of what should be done to him
     
  13. CommanderRaytas

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    Exactly. But even if it hadn't, so what? If I like a film, I don't give a damn whether it got critical acclaim or not. That should not be amongst the criteria for anyone's enjoying a film, book, music, whatever.
     
  14. doubleohfive

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    Some things never changed. Star Trek fans (some of them, anyway) are a rare breed - just about the only people who go out of their way to not enjoy something.
     
  15. M'Sharak

    M'Sharak Definitely Herbert. Maybe. Moderator

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    Eh, that sort of thing is hardly unique to Trek fans, otherwise we wouldn't already have had terms such as "wet blanket" (1655), "killjoy" (1770) or "party pooper" (1940) in the English vocabulary.
     
  16. doubleohfive

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    True. Though it sure seems like a hell of a lot of wet blankets seem to post here. :shrug:
     
  17. M'Sharak

    M'Sharak Definitely Herbert. Maybe. Moderator

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    About what one would expect, though, no? A very small, very vocal minority would be drawn to Trek-oriented soapboxes such as this one, TrekWeb, TrekMovie.com, etc. as a place to vent and ventilate.

    Sure, they could start their own little angry blogs, but how many will read those? TrekBBS is a ready-made audience, who may listen, and may choose to respond:

    [yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVCtkzIXYzQ[/yt]​

    Or one can just as easily choose to disregard the whole thing and simply go on one's merry way to the next thread. Either works.
     
  18. doubleohfive

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    Once again I find you are much wiser than me, my friend. :)
     
  19. Ryan8bit

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    Apparently the original poster?

    I don't know what one should expect if they drudge this stuff up and post a thread about it.
     
  20. laika

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    well said. agreed.
     

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