Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by JoeZhang, Jul 20, 2013.
Looks very much like the design from the upcoming Arkham Knight game.
I like it. It looks like a combination of the Tumbler and some of the more traditional designs.
Is that a Corvette underneath?
Wow, that is one very menacing looking car. The only real problem I had with the Tumbler was it just never looked much like a Batman car, but Snyder has finally found a way to make it look like one. And it's awesome.
I still prefer the sleekness of the Burton Batmobile overall, but this is a very close second.
It's gonna be fun to see Superman trash this car. Walk away Bats. This Supes is no pus.
Eh, I'm still torn. I think it looks or feels too similar to The Tumbler. I guess I was expecting more of a sleeker vehicle this time around. I also wish it was black, but that's more of a quibble. Snyder was clearly inspired by the bat-tank from The Dark Knight Returns.
I do absolutely hate the turret in the front, though. The Batmobile has always had weapons, but in the past the story would point out they were non-lethal, such as in The Dark Knight Returns. Even Burton's Batmobile and The Tumbler had weapons, but they were stored away and a non-instrusive part of the design. Not a fan of the obvious turret at all. I don't think it's the end-all-be-all, but it just feels clunky and strange, especially in the front of the vehicle.
This articles does a better job at explaining why I dislike them, although the headline is a bit hyperbolic. All Snyder has to do is explain in the story that the turret has rubber bullets and I'll be fine, but regardless, on a design level I think it looks very clunky. Other than that, the new Batmobile is decent.
I'm ok with this design.
As noted it still has overtones of the Tumbler(not an accident I'd guess) but also seems to have blended elements of Arkham and Burton-mobile into it as well. As hybrid designs go I feel pretty good about this design at present. Need to see it in action. I'd have those front swivel guns mounted in a pop-up chamber though. That's my one nit pick for now.
@JacksonArcher rubber bullets can still kill.
Well, its better than the Tumbler. Keaton's Batmobile is still my favorite, but this new one is ok, and it at least looks like a Batmobile instead of a tank painted black. I'm not a huge fan of the turret, but I can live with it.
I'm just worried Snyder will pull too much from Frank Miller's interpretation of Batman. I don't mind him having weapons and being harder edged, but please no killing. I even had problems with Batman's recklessness in the Nolan movies.
Could it be that is the deployed mode and most of the time it's stashed away in the front?
Tim Burton's Batman was a killer many times over. For one thing, the Batmobile deployed bombs that blew up the Axis Chemical plant, no doubt killing all of Joker's henchmen inside [this guy claims it was 12 of them].
Burton's Batman took place in such a heightened, operatic, comic book world that I've always had a hard time taking those killings very seriously myself. The villains in that movie might as well have been cartoon characters.
And we have a short and blurry clip of the thing in action. YMVWD but I think it's going to look amazing onscreen:
Burton's Batman was a killer, but he never made any claims about not being one. I always saw him as a Batman in the vein of Frank Miller's interpretation of the character. He was more of an anti-hero than anything else. It's not my preferred take on the character, but Keaton was a badass so I didn't let it bother me as much.
In Nolan's movies, Bale's Batman states several times that he doesn't kill and even tells Catwoman "no guns". The fact that Batman doesn't kill is actually a rather big plot point in The Dark Knight. However, there were many times where I had a hard time believing that. I love Nolan's movies, but Bale's Batman always had questionable morals. He says he doesn't kill, he says not to use guns, yet he puts cannons & weapons on almost all of his vehicles. He has a total disregard for property damage. There's even a moment in The Dark Knight where he's driving The Tumbler and he slams into a garbage truck, crushing the vehicle and I'm fairly certain the driver is either dead or seriously wounded. One could argue Batman's always had questionable ethics in the comics - the lengths he'll go to accomplish something have always been iffy and that was probably a part of the Joker's whole point in The Dark Knight - and at least Batman pushed the idea of not killing and not using guns, unlike Burton's Batman.
I am very curious to see Snyder's take on Batman and his stance on killing/no guns. However, after seeing the turret at the front of the Batmobile, I have an idea of what his take on that might be. So long as Snyder's Batman isn't crazed and deranged like Frank Miller's Batman I'll be fine. To be quite honest, I can't stand Miller's psychotic take on Batman. No offense to those that enjoy it, but it's just a bit removed from the kind of compassionate Batman that I prefer in my stories.
Well this is the same Batman who is also going to appear in the following Justice League, so I doubt Snyder or WB would want to make him too dark or psychotic in this movie.
And I'm guessing the gun turrets are used more for blowing up walls and obstacles in his path, or shooting out the tires on cars and trucks. Just like the guns we saw on the Tumbler or Batpod. I really doubt Batman is going to be simply mowing criminals on the street down with it.
I doubt Batman will be mowing down criminals either, however going by Superman's lack of regard for human life in Man of Steel you never know. I wouldn't put it past Snyder.
It's more so the idea of Batman having a huge turret on the front of the Batmobile that bothers me. With previous Batmobiles, Batman has always used weapons or cannons but they were hidden or stored away within the vehicle. When you looked at Keaton's Batmobile, for example, you didn't see any outright weapons. The same for The Tumbler. They only came out when they had to. With this Batmobile, the weapons are out in the open and clearly visible. As a matter of fact, it's one of the first things I see when I look at the vehicle.
Like I said previously, it's not the end of the world - and to quote another poster, maybe it will be stored away when we see the vehicle in motion during the film - but it just bothers me. I don't really think The Batmobile should have weapons so clearly visible, especially when Batman should be so adamantly against using weapons, but that's just me.
Tim Burton, Nolan and now Snyder have all used Frank Miller's stories in their interpretation of Batman. However they all use 80's Miller Batman to draw inspiration from; The Dark Knight Returns (1985) and Batman Year One (1986). Miller's later works show a psychotic and completely unhinged Batman; The Dark Knight Strikes Again (2002) and All Star Batman and Robin (2005). Nobody uses his TDKSA or ASBAR as positive examples of Batman as a character. I think the larger comic community views those two as parodies of the Batman character rather than serious takes.
I have no problem with Snyder taking inspiration from Frank Miller, just so long as he takes away the right inspiration. For example, I love how Affleck's Batman looks like Batman from The Dark Knight Returns. This Batmobile feels at least partly inspired by the vehicle in that story as well.
I guess I should have clarified. I'm sure Snyder probably won't pull from Miller's more recent work on Batman, although the fact that he consulted Miller for this concerns me. I just hope he doesn't pull too much from Dark Knight Returns when it comes to drawing inspiration for Batman and Superman's dynamic in the film. In Dark Knight Returns, Batman is the clear hero and Superman is the villain. I'm not sure how I feel about Superman being the villain, but maybe if Snyder is acknowledging the end of Man of Steel it could work. I could see people hating Superman after the events of that movie. I could especially see Batman perceiving Superman as a threat.
I think my biggest fear is Snyder portraying Superman as an outright villain, verses exploring the dynamic a bit less one-sided. I'm sure Batman will eventually come to see Superman as his ally, so I'm not too concerned. I do question the level of consultation Miller has had on informing Snyder of his portrayal of Batman, though. Especially since Batman and Superman's dynamic in Dark Knight Returns is unique since they had a history of knowing each other for quite some time. In this story, they are supposed to be meeting for the first time. So it feels weird to draw inspiration from that story, unless Snyder intends to just take minimal and basic conceptual inspiration.
I'm probably not making any sense. Haha. I just want a non-psychotic Batman and a Superman that isn't an outright villain. One of the reasons why I think the Batman v. Superman title is interesting because I hope the v. alludes to more of a psychological battle between Batman and Superman in this film. Yes, I know we'll see them go head-to-head, but I think it would be really interesting if we saw Batman and Superman butt heads when it comes to how they achieve their goals, their values/beliefs and so on. Which is why I really want Batman to have a stance on no killing - because I think it would be a great contrast to Superman's lack of regard for human life in Man of Steel. Which is why having turrets on the front of the Batmobile bothers me. I like the idea of Batman, who doesn't kill and doesn't like endangering innocent lives, opposing Superman and the destruction and loss of life that we saw in Man of Steel. I feel like that could be a really interesting conflict and validate a lot of what many disliked, including myself, about Man of Steel.
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