‘Star Trek 3′: Roberto Orci Wants to Direct

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by HaplessCrewman, Apr 22, 2014.

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  1. Dennis

    Dennis The Man Premium Member

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    What people will pay to see is a more reliable and useful measure of quality than are the opinions of a small number of fanboise on the Internet.
     
  2. M'Sharak

    M'Sharak Definitely Herbert. Maybe. Moderator

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    YARN, if you're genuinely interested in having a discussion about the definition of success in visual entertainment forms, the thing to do would be start a thread in TV & Media which is expressly about that topic. To continue buttonholing people about it here (in a discussion originally about the possibility of Roberto Orci directing the next movie) verges on thread hijack.
     
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  3. BigJake

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    The Department of Redundancy Dept. called to repeat that they want their repetition back. :p
     
  4. Sindatur

    Sindatur The Grey Owl Wizard Premium Member

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    And did you give it back to them ;)
     
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    ^ I gave them a detailed four thousand word analysis of why argument by repetition doesn't work, but they keep calling anyway. :rommie:
     
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    Nice return <Bows>
     
  7. BigJake

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    And a fine volley. <Bows in turn>
     
  8. thumbtack

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    Box office is irrelevant unless Star Trek 3 doesn't make money.

    Reviews are irrelevant unless Star Trek 3 gets bad reviews.

    A movie is objectively "good" only if no one, anywhere, has anything bad to say about it 20 years after release.

    What's so hard to understand?
     
  9. BigJake

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    ^ Meh. Dennis does it better.
     
  10. JarodRussell

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    Dennis should direct the movie!
     
  11. JarodRussell

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    Yes.

    Reread my whole post.
     
  12. Dennis

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    At opening, the TrekBBS Players' Reenactment of Monty Python's "Argument Sketch" did not draw the box office returns hoped for...
     
  15. Ovation

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    But given the extremely limited production costs, it was deemed a success nevertheless (though judgments about its quality differed widely and wildly among the viewers).
     
  16. trevanian

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    It'd be more accurate (and maybe less redundant?) to say that what people will pay to see is a more reliable measure of the quality of the film's marketing campaign than the film itself.
     
  17. BillJ

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    For the first weekend or so, I would agree. After that, I really think word-of-mouth begins to take over.
     
  18. JarodRussell

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    So it's rather the 2nd weekend drop that's the proper measure?
     
  19. trevanian

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    I thought about including the word-of-mouth waiver, but figured it would complicate the issue.

    With respect to TREK, look at TWOK. Critical response was better than the first pic, but word of mouth was downright phenomenal compared to TMP, yet it didn't reach sufficiently into the mainstream (and wouldn't again till TVH) to keep the numbers stratospheric.

    The movies that failed first run and got another chance, like BONNIE&CLYDE, just don't happen anymore (they barely ever happened back then.) You can fail theatrically and then do well on homevid, but that doesn't generate the same kinds of numbers. But even TWOK's strong showing on homevid didn't cause them to pack into SFS on TMP levels, so that impact was by no means on the level of, say, how FIRST BLOOD on VHS and HBO practically mandated that RAMBO would clean up theatrically.

    There must be formulas for computing some of this stuff, but a lot of it must be more alchemy than science (just like Genesis, as somebody observed a long time ago.)
     
  20. WarpFactorZ

    WarpFactorZ Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    What the hell is wrong with Orci? There are *36* instances of 'fuck' throughout the script. Pretty much all of them don't even make any sense: "a fucking FACE is on their screen," "... in fucking labor...", "... the fucking HOLOGRAM of Spock...").

    Jesus HC! No wonder people have so much confidence in this latter day Shakespeare...
     
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