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Old August 25 2009, 09:49 AM   #46
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Re: The Andorian sexes

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Do the three have sex with the zhen in a certain sequence? Or do two have sex with the shen, to create a zygote, the shen then in turn has sex with the zhen?
It's been deliberately left vague. Andorians do not usually discuss it with outworlders.
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Old August 25 2009, 10:09 AM   #47
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Okay, then which exactly was Kirk making out with in StarTrek XI?
Or was that a orion?
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Old August 25 2009, 11:36 AM   #48
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Okay, then which exactly was Kirk making out with in StarTrek XI?
Or was that a orion?
That was an Orion
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Old August 25 2009, 04:42 PM   #49
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Andorians = Blue (sub-species Aenar are white)

Orions = Green

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Old August 25 2009, 05:15 PM   #50
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Orions = Green
Though according to TAS, they also come in pale blue.
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Old August 25 2009, 05:33 PM   #51
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^Which episode was that? There is still a few that I haven't seen...
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Old August 25 2009, 05:36 PM   #52
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^Which episode was that? There is still a few that I haven't seen...
I believe it was "The Pirates of Orion"
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Old August 25 2009, 05:38 PM   #53
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Curiously enough, it was titled "Pirates of Orion".

Back then, it was far from clear that the Orion species would be green in color. All we knew was that their legendary "animal women" or "slave women" were green. Quite possibly, the green color could have been typical of a species enslaved by the Orions - or of a population group enslaved by the rest of the Orions and tattooed green to denote their servile status...

ENT was the first show to demonstrate that Orion males are also green, and that the "animal woman" females are the standard females of the species, not a separate social group. That is, as per the ENT episode "Bound", every Orion woman appears to be an "animal" or a "slave", even though neither the social setup nor the biology of this relationship is quite that "skin deep".

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Old August 25 2009, 05:59 PM   #54
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^Thanks guys
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Old August 25 2009, 06:07 PM   #55
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The Star Trek Concordance describes Devna from "The Time Trap" as golden-skinned, but she's actually sort of a pale green. I was going to say she looked gold in a couple of shots, but then I looked at my laptop's LCD monitor from a different angle and she got greener. I can't trust the colors on this thing. Anyway, she's definitely the lightest-skinned Orion woman we've seen.
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Old August 25 2009, 09:07 PM   #56
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It might be interesting if the colors on the Orions were indeed artificial - tattooed on to reflect the status of the individual. Not on a social hierarchy, obviously, since slaves and slavers share colors in ENT. But it could well be that there are clans of Orions that identify themselves and their possessions by sharing a skin hue.

Of course, the color variations may be quite natural. But having ethnic or geographical identity be expressed by skin color is a bit boring and unimaginative for a scifi show...

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Old August 25 2009, 10:24 PM   #57
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it could well be that there are clans of Orions that identify themselves and their possessions by sharing a skin hue.i
The FASA RPG "Orion" gaming manuals suggested that Orions had a wide range of skin tones depending on exposure to natural light. The shipbound Orions of TAS had simply been shipbound for a long time.

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The Star Trek Concordance describes Devna from "The Time Trap" as golden-skinned, but she's actually sort of a pale green. I was going to say she looked gold in a couple of shots, but then I looked at my laptop's LCD monitor from a different angle and she got greener. I can't trust the colors on this thing. Anyway, she's definitely the lightest-skinned Orion woman we've seen.
She was the exact colour of a TOS command shirt: actually green, but often photographs gold.
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Of course, the color variations may be quite natural. But having ethnic or geographical identity be expressed by skin color is a bit boring and unimaginative for a scifi show...
Trek in particular had very few instances in TOS or TNG where there was ANY cultural diversity whatsoever: "Let That be your Last Battlefield" and "The Omega Glory" are the only two I can think of from TOS that had cultural diversity.
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Old August 29 2009, 09:21 AM   #59
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Hey, this is a good one for Therin.

Anyone read "The Old Ways"? Did anyone else immediately think of Ortees Sharad as a chan? The reason being - they showed a number of other "male" Andorians (Trajun, Shaa, Kovan) who were all quite a bit more stocky and "masculine". Whereas Ortees was more lithe and wiry, and more the "brain".
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Old August 29 2009, 09:34 AM   #60
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Hey, this is a good one for Therin.

Anyone read "The Old Ways"? Did anyone else immediately think of Ortees Sharad as a chan?
Yep, that was my impression.
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