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Old November 5 2014, 02:32 PM   #1
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J. Ryan Speaks About Her ‘Intentionally Unpleasant’ Experiences on VOY

Jeri Ryan Speaks About Her ‘Intentionally Unpleasant’ Experiences on the “Star Trek: Voyager” Sets

For nearly two decades, the Star Trek rumor mill has been swirling about the supposed 'feud' between Voyager co-stars Jeri Ryan and Kate Mulgrew, stemming from Mulgrew's dislike of the addition of Ryan's former Borg character, Seven of Nine, to the show.

A 2006 interview with Garrett Wang contains some fairly harsh reports of the on-set experience surrounding Ryan's arrival to the show, but a recent interview on actress Aisha Tyler's Girl on Guy podcast (released last summer, but just pointed out to us by a reader this week) has one of the first narratives of those years revealed by Jeri Ryan herself.

Ryan does not specifically name Mulgrew as the source of her torment, but her description of the interaction, combined with the years of reports of discontent with this unnamed co-star makes it nearly impossible to be anyone else.

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JERI RYAN: The addition of this character… Voyager was the flagship show of the network -- UPN -- and Paramount saw this as this character as their chance to break Star Trek into the mainstream media, and not just the sci-fi mags and things like that. So the Paramount publicity machine went into overdrive with the addition of this character.

AISHA TYLER: What season was this?

RYAN: This was the beginning of Season Four. Everything was top secret about the character. The costume people didn't see what the makeup people were doing, everything was secret, secret, secret. They didn't want anybody to know anything about it until the day I walked on to set to shoot this -- which is a bunch of other stories! [Laughs] It was crazy.

They were very successful in getting the mainstream media to pay attention to it with the addition of the character.

TYLER: What were the other stories? It's so far in the past...

RYAN: It is so far in the past. Oh, god. [Laughs]

TYLER: Pick the one that you feel comfortable sharing.

RYAN: It was understandably tough for an existing cast that had been together for three years already. Star Trek, traditionally -- because this was like the fourth incarnation of Star Trek at the time -- was always the Captain, or the Captain and First Officer. Typically, it's the Captain that gets the attention of the press, and the shows revolve around that.

So all of a sudden, all of that shifted drastically in Season Four and now the writers, who have been writing for the same seven characters for three years, are salivating for something new to write with. They've got this character that's so rich, because she's not even human when they start out...

TYLER: And the whole point of it is what it means to be human, it's a huge storyline.

RYAN: Right, there's no better way to do that. Consequently, all the scripts revolved around Seven of Nine and her relationship with the other characters, of course -- which actually ended up leading to some really rich storylines for the other characters.

TYLER: There was probably more diversity in terms of storyline for everybody.

RYAN: Exactly -- but that's hard, when the new kid comes in and suddenly it's all about them. That was tough, and it was particularly tough for some more than others, which was not real fun. It really made it an unpleasant work experience.

TYLER: Did that continue, or did evolve?

RYAN: It continued, for quite a while.

I mean, for the most part, everybody was phenomenal and absolutely great -- and the guys, my God, I loved my boys on that show. [Laughs] They were hilarious to the point that if I had a two-shot with and then it's my close-up, I had to look off-camera because if I looked at them I'd just break and crack up.

But yeah, it was unnecessarily unpleasant for a couple of years -- basically, until I started dating [Brannon Braga]. Once I was dating the boss, funny how things suddenly cleaned up! [Laughs] But it was really, really tough the first couple of years. and there were many days when I as nauseous before going into work because it was that miserable. Just unnecessarily, intentionally unpleasant.

TYLER: And such a waste of energy.

RYAN: Waste of energy.

TYLER: I always feel like there's a strange intimacy on a set that makes difficult sets much more difficult that working at a difficult office -- because you can usually avoid the other person...

RYAN: Right. There's no avoidance on a set, and most of my scenes were with this person.

TYLER: Oh, god.

RYAN: I mean, there was NO avoidance, because it was the richest relationship. They really wanted to capitalize on that.

TYLER: I'm not going to ask you... I'm sure people can deduce [who it is] if they spend some time Google-ing.

RYAN: Right, yeah.

TYLER: I have had friends who have been in situations... where they had a very close co-star, sometimes their love interest, and they really did not like each other off-camera. I know someone who went through this, and they were just not even on speaking terms, and they had to kiss on camera. How was that for you -- did you develop mental tricks? Like, what did you do?

RYAN: There was nothing I COULD do -- literally I would be nauseous when I knew these scenes were coming up. When there were a lot of scenes with this person the next day, I was sick to my stomach all night, just miserable. It was so unnecessary and just so petty; things like, oh my God...[Laughs]

We'd have scenes -- because a lot of my scenes took place in this set they built for my character called the Astrometrics Lab. It was a really impressive-looking set with this huge, massive, curved green-screen and this giant window. So there's only one entrance to the set, because all the cameras were built up on platforms and stuff to shoot the window -- there was just one set of doors.

I remember this one time in particular, I had this once scene with this person, just the two of us. We do their coverage first, and shoot their side of this really dramatic scene, and then it was time for my coverage. Before every close-up, the hair and makeup and wardrobe teams come in and do touch-ups and everything to make sure everything's right... [Laughs wildly]

[The co-star] shut the door to the set, and said, "She's fine. LET'S GO." Wouldn't let them in. Just stupid, stupid stuff like that.

TYLER: And by the way, out of their job description.

RYAN: Exactly. Let people do their jobs.

TYLER: Not your call!

RYAN: Right, things like that. Another time, I don't even think it was the same day, but a different scene with that person on the same set -- we do their side first, and then it's my coverage on close-up for this really intense scene. The literally sat off-camera picking their nails, thumbing through a book, and just haphazardly saying their lines off camera without even making eye contact.

TYLER: It would have been better to just not have them there.

RYAN: Yeah, could the [assistant director] just read it off camera? I'm good.

TYLER: Anyone? A production assistant? A C-Stand and a tennis ball? It would be better.

RYAN: Exactly! It would have been better. It was intentional, purely intentional and unnecessary.
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Old November 5 2014, 03:29 PM   #2
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Wow, pretty damning. Boo hiss to Mulgrew for being so petty, at least Jeri Ryan handled it with a bit of class.
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Old November 5 2014, 03:40 PM   #3
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I didn't like Mulgrew from the start. I just couldn't take to her, and it didn't change as the show progressed.

I didn't know any of this stuff at the time, but it would have made it even harder to watch the show.
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Old November 5 2014, 04:25 PM   #4
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The podcast actually came out last year. It casts a number of things in a different light, I think. For example, the whole Ryan/Braga romance--often the source of outrage and scurrilous innuendo--becomes much more understandable and believable when viewed as a coping mechanism to a toxic workplace by a desperate actress rather than a sinister attempt by an ingenue to steal air time.

Of course, there's more than one interpretation of events, but none are particularly mutually exclusive.
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Old November 5 2014, 05:31 PM   #5
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I think Mulgrew had good cause to be pissed off, but not at Jeri Ryan, at the writers/producers who created Seven of Nine.
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Old November 5 2014, 07:47 PM   #6
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Here we go again...keeping the feud alive.
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Old November 5 2014, 08:02 PM   #7
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Too bad we never got to see the scene involving Seven remembering laughter. That sounds interesting.
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Old November 5 2014, 08:17 PM   #8
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Here we go again...keeping the feud alive.
I find it interesting how Braga fucked over RDM on Voyager,-from my understanding a much more egregious offense than that of Jeri and/or Kate--yet it was more or less water under the bridge within a couple of years. Meanwhile, Jeri and Kate have been engaged in a Cold War since the Clinton administration.

Chalk it up to the female temperament, I suppose, along with the standard insecurity of the actor class.
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Old November 5 2014, 08:51 PM   #9
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Here we go again...keeping the feud alive.
It would appear the 'feud' was initiated by one individual - unprofessional to say the least - jealous, most likely. I've heard tell that it is a reoccurring theme in the entertainment industry.
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Old November 5 2014, 09:04 PM   #10
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Chalk it up to the female temperament, I suppose, along with the standard insecurity of the actor class.


How about just chalking it up to one actor being jealous of another and being too immature to keep things professional?
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I suppose Takei and Shatner are all about female temperament as well
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Old November 5 2014, 09:48 PM   #12
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Grathon Tolar wrote: View Post
The podcast actually came out last year. It casts a number of things in a different light, I think. For example, the whole Ryan/Braga romance--often the source of outrage and scurrilous innuendo--becomes much more understandable and believable when viewed as a coping mechanism to a toxic workplace by a desperate actress rather than a sinister attempt by an ingenue to steal air time.

Of course, there's more than one interpretation of events, but none are particularly mutually exclusive.
OR maybe they just liked each other?
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That's a shame, too. I love Kate, but if she did that, then I do lose some respect for her. That's just so petty and beneath someone as strong, and talented, as herself.
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Grathon Tolar wrote:
Chalk it up to the female temperament, I suppose, along with the standard insecurity of the actor class.
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Yeah exactly. Jeri's situation here is not unique, as Aisha Tyler says in the interview itself, and as you yourself said Grathon, actors are by nature an insecure breed, and this kind of thing happens in workplaces all the time. It's certainly got nothing to do with "female temperament".

It was just a clash of personalities. That's it, the bottom line. I don't know where I read it, but I do seem to recall that Kate has been subsequently publically honest and contrite about her part in all of this. I don't think she's hiding what happened, nor that she feels bad about it.

Whether that means she's ever personally apologized and buried the hatchet with Jeri herself is another thing, of course...
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Jeri Ryan said:

"The Borg makeup was BULLSHIT! God, that SUCKED!"


A friend of mine is the Post-Production Supervisor on Orange Is The New Black and says Mulgrew is a delight to work with.

Obviously, none of us were on Voyager nor there to witness events as Jeri presents them on this podcast, so I think it's worth remembering that there are always two sides to a story.

Knowing what i know about actors in TV and their temperament, I can see why Jeri might have interpreted things the way she has, but I don't know that I believe, given my friend's experience with Mulgrew, that it's the only way things could have gone down. I guess we'll never know.

That said, she seems to have a very warm recollection of her time on Boston Public and Leverage but also shared that she didn't really care for her time on Shark. Perhaps this is all partly due to going from one show that was really difficult behind the scenes to one that was actually really well run and easily done behind the scenes. Having worked on both kinds of shows, I sure as hell know which I prefer.
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