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Old July 22 2009, 02:46 AM   #31
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Why is this film only shown in a handful of cinemas? I had to go to some arthouse to watch it. Will it have a wide release later?

I like the film but I'm not sure about the unresolved story. It left me feeling vaguely dissatisfied. I would love to have found out what happened to Sam.

When Eve came on, I thought she was a granddaughter or even great granddaughter. I like that the film doesn't follow some common scifi conventions though, like having an evil HAL (we got a very loveable GERTY instead) or having these clones about for much longer than 12 years like I thought at first.

The interactions between the two Sams were great too. Overall an enjoyable film but not one of the greats to me.
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Old July 22 2009, 03:04 AM   #32
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I agree the reason for using clones isn't well developed. I think it was ultimately a suspension of disbelief issue; I just accepted that for whatever reason it was cheaper for the corporation to use a single, disposable person than a paid crew. Who nows, maybe Sam wasn't even dying because he was a clone. Maybe it's a side effect of long-term habitation on the moon (solar flares?) or the helium-3 mining.
That's a good point. I was wondering why the corporation wouldn't act like a normal corporation and hire a crew of people to work on the moon instead of having a lone person and subject him to the mental distress of being all alone for an extended time.
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Old July 22 2009, 09:26 PM   #33
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Saw it yesterday


Who was that woman Sam kept seeing? Once in the "canteen" area, and once before he crashed the moon buggy?
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Old July 23 2009, 05:36 PM   #34
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Unexplained visions of his daughter. They were used to get Sam to crash the vehicle.

Great explanation about Gerty's programming. Is that why Gerty gave him the password to see the past log entries? To protect his mental health?

Also didn't really get that the other clones were vaporized. I saw the dirt collection under the bay, but I never made the connection.

I liked the details of the movie, I bet the more times you watch it the more undercover things you'll find. In one shot an expression was shown that said something like Abstinence is great, but only if practiced in moderation. I thought that was funny.
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Old July 23 2009, 08:51 PM   #35
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Unexplained visions of his daughter. They were used to get Sam to crash the vehicle.

Great explanation about Gerty's programming. Is that why Gerty gave him the password to see the past log entries? To protect his mental health?

Also didn't really get that the other clones were vaporized. I saw the dirt collection under the bay, but I never made the connection.

I liked the details of the movie, I bet the more times you watch it the more undercover things you'll find. In one shot an expression was shown that said something like Abstinence is great, but only if practiced in moderation. I thought that was funny.
The log scenes showed previous (debilitated) clones getting into capsules "to go home". Capsule closses and is sealed. White mist enters capsule. End of entry.

I assumed it was "euthaization" and disposal of some sort. The clones are dying.
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Old July 23 2009, 10:51 PM   #36
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Anyone notice the girl playing his daughter was Effy from Skins
Not an overly massive fan of the show, but seen a few eps to catch it
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Old July 24 2009, 01:32 AM   #37
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Anyone know when Moon is coming out on DVD/Blueray? It didn't play anywhere near where I live...
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Old July 24 2009, 01:53 AM   #38
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Disappointing movie. People are too expensive to train and import, but the second a clone has a problem, they send *three* dudes to handle it? Just lying around, I guess.

And they didn't make just one clone. Not five clones. Dozens, perhaps hundreds of clones. I guess they got a discount for quantity.

And clones that spring fully grown from a clipping complete with memory? Those went out of serious science fiction in the 70s.
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Old July 30 2009, 04:51 AM   #39
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^ They mentioned that the rescue team was being diverted from another assignment... but I don't recall the details.

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Who knows, maybe Sam wasn't even dying because he was a clone. Maybe it's a side effect of long-term habitation on the moon (solar flares?) or the helium-3 mining.
This is probably the best explanation I've seen. If the helium-3 mining causes certain death within three years, then the elaborate clone operation makes a lot more sense.

Anyway, I thoroughly enjoyed the flick. Rockwell gave a great performance(s). I was thrilled that GERTY didn't go crazy and try to kill anyone.
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Old July 30 2009, 05:06 AM   #40
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Disappointing movie. People are too expensive to train and import, but the second a clone has a problem, they send *three* dudes to handle it? Just lying around, I guess.
They sent them out more for the harvester than the clone problem. That should make good economic sense to you.
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Old July 30 2009, 09:17 PM   #41
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Helium-3 isn't radioactive, so my guess is three years is the built-in lifespan of the clones. And the "return capsule" was an incinerator. The gas seen after the flash was vaporized Sam.

Regarding the corporate plot: Perhaps the story to the public was that Sam Prime would go to the Moon and establish the final stage of what would become a fully automated mining operation, but it was actually cheaper/easier to use some new cloning process to supply the administrative workforce instead of designing a mobile Gerty that could do it or relying on training up a new astronaut every three years. Sam Prime comes home a hero and no one expects any other astronauts to come back from the Moon because they're told its now fully automated.

Whatever the answer, I didn't find the question so problematic I couldn't enjoy the film. I loved it, actually. Sam Rockwell deserves a couple lunar tons of awards. Gerty was great, especially his emoticons, and the art design overall was well done. Felt like a lived-in universe, like Alien.

Maybe Lunar Industries is a subsidiary of Wayland Yutani Corp.
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Old July 30 2009, 10:03 PM   #42
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Helium-3 isn't radioactive, so my guess is three years is the built-in lifespan of the clones.
Helium-3 may not be radioactive, but the technology to harvest it is unclear at best. Health hazards from exposure to the process or harvesters could be issues. We never see Sam Bell, only hear his voice. We've no idea what shape he was in. (I was just thinking if exposure killed the clones in three years, some damage must have been done to Sam Bell...)
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Old July 30 2009, 10:17 PM   #43
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It was a great film, despite the questionable nature of the premise.

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Did anyone notice that the gravity throughout the movie was pretty much the same as earth's? The only times there were any signs of the moon's lesser gravity was when Sam went outside.
Yep, although I understand the reasons Jones couldn't do lunar gravity for the entire film. Sam-x is going to be messed up on Earth, too. Three years--really, his entire lifetime--he's been in 1/6 gravity. I doubt he could stand up.
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Old July 31 2009, 06:56 AM   #44
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Like a lot of sci-fi you just have to accept the premise. It's no more unbelievable than Silent Running's putting forests in space, for instance. You just accept that for whatever reasons, this is how the company does business. If you can't buy the situation the movie is just not going to work for you.
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Old July 31 2009, 07:06 AM   #45
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It was a great film, despite the questionable nature of the premise.

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Did anyone notice that the gravity throughout the movie was pretty much the same as earth's? The only times there were any signs of the moon's lesser gravity was when Sam went outside.
Yep, although I understand the reasons Jones couldn't do lunar gravity for the entire film. Sam-x is going to be messed up on Earth, too. Three years--really, his entire lifetime--he's been in 1/6 gravity. I doubt he could stand up.
In 2061: Odyssey Three, Heywood Floyd has an accident that causes a severe back injury and requires him to be sent to a medical facility on an orbital station. The station has 1/6 gravity which, by the time he heals, he adapts to and can no longer function in normal gravity.
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