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Old July 22 2009, 02:17 AM   #1
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Some questions about Crusade (possible Babylon 5 spoilers)

So I've finished Babylon 5, the B5 movies and the Lost Tales, and I've been debating whether or not to watch the short-lived Crusade. I loved B5, liked two of the movies (In the Beginning and A Call to Arms), but The Lost Tales didn't exactly dazzle me.

I'm wondering if Crusade is even worth watching--I know that the story centres around a Drakh plague that threatens to kill humanity within 5 years. However, in B5 we've seen time periods depicted beyond this 5 year span where humanity is doing fine (more or less), which would stongly suggest the plague was cured--I'm guessing this robs Crusade of a good deal of its dramatic tension.

So my first question is if the series is worth watching at all.

My second question deals with the episode order--in anticipation of possibly watching the series, I've found that there are something like 4 different episode orders listed (original broadcast order, revised broadcast order, chronological order, JMS' new preferred order) so I'm wondering what order is the 'best' in which to view the series.

Thanks in advance for your responses.
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Old July 22 2009, 03:21 AM   #2
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Re: Some questions about Crusade (possible Babylon 5 spoilers)

Unfortunately I don't think there's any 100% correct order. However, I usually go
1) War Zone
2) Ruling from the Tomb 3) Appearances and other Deceits
4) All gray uniform episodes
5) Remaining episodes
since that order serves as the best compromise of visual and character continuity. You do have to pretend the existence of the "laundry accident" episode which destroyed all the gray uniforms, though.....

Is it worth it? Well, it tells some entertaining stories, but ultimately it doesn't really go anywhere. I wouldn't suggest avoiding it, certainly, but there's no compelling need to watch.
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Old July 22 2009, 03:25 AM   #3
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Re: Some questions about Crusade (possible Babylon 5 spoilers)

I liked Crusade for the characters. True, you know that the Drakh Plague gets cured because you've seen periods past the 'dead'line but that was only the beginning. Something else was being set up, parts of which had even started in B5. Sadly, we never got very far. Even so, like I said, the characters are engaging and I still re-watch it on occasion.

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Old July 22 2009, 03:43 AM   #4
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If you liked 'A Call To Arms' I don't see why you wouldn't continue with Crusade. It's only 13 episodes so it's not going to take that long to watch it all.

I believe JMS has stated on occasion that the Plague was going to be solved after a season or so (much like Sinclair's Hole in his mind) and the show would launch into something else.
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Old July 22 2009, 04:01 AM   #5
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The series is worth it if you can find it for under 20 bucks, which I haven't seen it advertised for often. It's not that it is terribly bad (though 2-3 episodes really miss the mark), it's just that it doesn't have a chance to go anywhere before it's all over. You do get to see Franklin once more, and Lochley thrice more, if that interests you. It is much like A Call to Arms in tone (though Lochley, Galen, and the thief are the only characters who carry over) if you liked that.

I developed an episode order for when I watched the series, but to be honest, none of them are going to make total sense, so I'll let others tell you the best one here.
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Old July 22 2009, 03:42 PM   #6
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Let's put it this way. The first 13 episodes of Crusade were MUCH better than the first 13 episodes of B5. Unfortunately TNT interference really did water down the show. However it did introduce my all time favorite character from the franchise, Galen. (Nitpickers note: I'm not counting Call to Arms he's barely in it! )
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Old July 22 2009, 05:21 PM   #7
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Honestly, Galen is barely in the series, when you get right down to it. According to IMDB, he's only in six episodes--and only five, if you write off War Zone along with most fans. Which only makes the series more disappointing to me. The best moments with Galen aren't even filmed, but found in the Technomage Trilogy. *sigh*
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Old July 22 2009, 06:00 PM   #8
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The series wasn't really about the Drakh plague, it was about the leftover technology of godlike aliens and its consequences (the plague, the technomages, human cyborgs, the Apocolypse Box, the telepaths and their war, etc.). It ends prematurely, but it gives you an idea of what else was going on in the universe.
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Old July 22 2009, 07:53 PM   #9
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I don't really get the hate for War Zone. I mean, I know JMS wrote it unwillingly, but it's not a bad episode by any stretch...
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Old July 22 2009, 08:41 PM   #10
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I don't really get the hate for War Zone. I mean, I know JMS wrote it unwillingly, but it's not a bad episode by any stretch...
I actually kind of like it, but shh, don't let Neroon find out. I think most fans tend to side with JMS, and he says he doesn't like the episode, and didn't want to write it nor make it.
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Old July 22 2009, 09:27 PM   #11
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I don't mind War Zone. It's a nice little action episode. It's not my favorite episode but it's not terrible.
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Old July 22 2009, 11:31 PM   #12
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Watch them in DVD order. It really doesn't matter. It literally leaves the best for last.

The only episode I really didn't like was the X-Files parody.

The music is pretty bad and unengaging too.
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Old July 23 2009, 02:58 AM   #13
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I don't really get the hate for War Zone. I mean, I know JMS wrote it unwillingly, but it's not a bad episode by any stretch...
I just thought it was horribly dull and stilted, and it's function is better served by the original pilot. I remember the first time I watched, I was so zoned out it was about halfway through the last act that I realized there'd been a space battle going on.
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Old July 23 2009, 03:01 AM   #14
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Let's put it this way. The first 13 episodes of Crusade were MUCH better than the first 13 episodes of B5.
No way. B5 was, at least, an actual television series produced to a professional level in all respects. Quite a few of the first year episodes are pretty good.
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Old July 23 2009, 03:43 AM   #15
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The writing and production values are better for CRU than for B5-13, I would say. It wasn't as rough a start. There were no unstoppable rubber suit monsters of doom
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