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Old October 2 2009, 08:42 PM   #1
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Proof! Benny Russell is the author of ALL Star Trek

In the TOS episode "The Ultimate Computer," Dr. Daystrom says of the M-5 "I created it!" with almost identical inflection as what Benny gives the line in "FBtS." Wicked coincidence* that, since, like Benny, Daystrom is a frustrated black genius.

Anyway, I like the idea that the ultimate Trek retcon is that all of it was a series of forgotten stories run in pulps during the forties and fifties.

*Though it may not have been coincidence at all--DS9 had the most TOS-loving tone of any of the spin-offs and so the line could well have been a clever call-back.
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Old October 2 2009, 08:51 PM   #2
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In the TOS episode "The Ultimate Computer," Dr. Daystrom says of the M-5 "I created it!" with almost identical inflection as what Benny gives the line in "FBtS." Wicked coincidence* that, since, like Benny, Daystrom is a frustrated black genius.

Anyway, I like the idea that the ultimate Trek retcon is that all of it was a series of forgotten stories run in pulps during the forties and fifties.
Not only that, Deep Space Nine was the only part that really mattered. Or maybe Benny Russell had been selling stories about white heroes like Kirk and Picard before he finally got to write what he genuinely wanted to. (With Janeway and Archer dating to his insane asylum period... IT ALL MAKES SENSE!)

*Though it may not have been coincidence at all--DS9 had the most TOS-loving tone of any of the spin-offs and so the line could well have been a clever call-back.
Well, given the whole TNG Leah Brahms mix-up, I'm willing to bet coincidence. Or maybe the editor forced Benny Russell to change Leah, as a genius scientist black woman was too much for him to swallow.
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Old October 2 2009, 09:01 PM   #3
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Re: Proof! Benny Russell is the author of ALL Star Trek

I was just reading the Shadows and Symbols entry on Memory Alpha and I learned something new: The writing on Benny's cell walls was the episode summaries of all prior episodes
it wasn't just random crap to fill space!

I just thought that was cool
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Old October 2 2009, 09:22 PM   #4
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Does that include the animated series?
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Old October 2 2009, 09:41 PM   #5
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Wait a minute, does that mean he wrote TNG's horrible Code of Honor, too?
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Old October 2 2009, 09:47 PM   #6
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^He wrote that as a critique of European and American imperialism, but executive meddling turned the aliens into a racist caricature.
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Old October 2 2009, 11:29 PM   #7
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Either that or he was suffering from a bad case of the self-hates that day.
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Old October 3 2009, 11:35 AM   #8
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Wait a minute, does that mean he wrote TNG's horrible Code of Honor, too?
All prior DS9 episodes, not all prior Trek episodes.
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Old October 3 2009, 12:38 PM   #9
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All of it, I tell you! It is reeeeeeeaaaaaaal! It's in in his mind! He created it! Your four mighty starships...

Oops, wrong issue.
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Old October 3 2009, 01:43 PM   #10
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Wait a minute, does that mean he wrote TNG's horrible Code of Honor, too?
All prior DS9 episodes, not all prior Trek episodes.
Oh, I got that. I was just joking. If Benny Russel was REEEEEEEAAL!!! he probably wouldn't want to come anywhere near the pile of shit that was Code of Honor. Plus, there are two people before me in this thread (among them the original poster) who already made the same (apparently jocular) proposition. So I'm a bit unsure why you are singling out me.
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Old October 3 2009, 02:45 PM   #11
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Code of Honor's not so awful.
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Old October 3 2009, 02:55 PM   #12
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Wait a minute, does that mean he wrote TNG's horrible Code of Honor, too?
All prior DS9 episodes, not all prior Trek episodes.
Oh, I got that. I was just joking. If Benny Russel was REEEEEEEAAL!!! he probably wouldn't want to come anywhere near the pile of shit that was Code of Honor. Plus, there are two people before me in this thread (among them the original poster) who already made the same (apparently jocular) proposition. So I'm a bit unsure why you are singling out me.
No particular reason, yours just seemed the most quickly quotable one to use to specify that the walls only had prior DS9 episodes. I wasn't even all that concerned with the content of "Code of Honor."
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Old October 3 2009, 10:07 PM   #13
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Code of Honor's not so awful.
The hell it ain't. D.W. Griffith--working with David Duke--would be hard-pressed to come up with something more offensive.
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Old October 4 2009, 01:20 AM   #14
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Mwuha, I think he's the author of TOS, TNG, DS9 and VOY, but not of ENT or nuTrek.
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Old October 4 2009, 04:15 AM   #15
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ENT amd NuTrek are to the Benny Russell originals as NuDune is to the Frank Herbert originals? I can dig that. (Though I suspect Benny let some of the other writers in the office write most of TNG and Voyager, much as Harlan Ellison invited his friends to write stories about Medea.)
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