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Old June 25 2009, 06:41 AM   #106
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Re: Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen - Grading & Discussion

I thought Transformers was a much better movie, but I enjoyed its sequel, and I plan to watch it at least once more in first-run.
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Old June 25 2009, 07:28 AM   #107
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how can anyone claim there was no story? The Fallen wants the Matrix to destroy the sun, get more energon and create more Decepticons to ravage the galaxy and the Autobots try to stop him.

it's not fucking war and peace!
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Old June 25 2009, 07:53 AM   #108
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I noticed:

The shot of three "asteroids" approaching Earth was reused from film one, as was the Predator's flight. I noticed another reused shot as well. I'll catch it on my next viewing
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Old June 25 2009, 08:22 AM   #109
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Small point, but was anyone else surprised to see a bunch of British squaddies on the special forces team?
In these sorts of films Brits usually play the baddies and I've gotten so used to us being totally ignored in war films that this just really threw me.
The SAS no yes - I believe I saw the regimental badge there.

SAS are renowned worldwide as badasses, good for Michael Bay!!
International special forces teaming up...can I smell a possible Transformers/GI Joe movie?

I gave it an above average. Lots of action and stuff, maybe a bit too much humour but in the session I saw most of it was well received.

It was a long movie but I didn't really notice until I stepped out and saw the time so the movie kept my interest for its run.

I didn't understand why Jetfire needed to be restarted by the All Spark shard. The transformers crashing into the carrier seemed pointless, other then to have a cool scene.

It is an amazing coincidence that the All Spark found its way onto the planet that Matrix was hidden on. It would have been a nice little connection to the first film if they said something like the All Spark was drawn to Earth due to the Matrix.

When Sam is going off to college and he has his moment with Megan Fox the spinning camera made me feel a bit ill...it was just too much spinning camera action at once for me.
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Old June 25 2009, 08:28 AM   #110
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Anyone who has seen the difference between Bad Boys and Bad Boys II should have seen this coming.
It's telling, then, that there's a Bad Boys II poster prominently displayed on Shia's dorm wall at one point.

I enjoyed the parts of the film where I didn't get the uncomfortable feeling that I was watching something Bay masturbated himself to in the editing room while everyone else had gone home for the night.
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Old June 25 2009, 01:24 PM   #111
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I just remembered - Soundwave was in this film and he was awesome.
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Old June 25 2009, 01:31 PM   #112
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Optimus was too powerful and defeated the Fallen too easily.
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Old June 25 2009, 02:04 PM   #113
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captcalhoun wrote: View Post
how can anyone claim there was no story? The Fallen wants the Matrix to destroy the sun, get more energon and create more Decepticons to ravage the galaxy and the Autobots try to stop him.
I'll agree with this. A lot of people are saying there was "no story". That's simply not true. There is a very interesting, potentially powerful story in there that deepens the mythos of the Transformers movie universe.

But then all the ball dangling, leg humping, liquid spewing jokes come out and the next thing you know the story gets muddled. People focus on those bad points and then forget the good points and voila - horrid reviews.
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Old June 25 2009, 02:10 PM   #114
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I just remembered - Soundwave was in this film and he was awesome.
AND he was voiced by his original voice actor, the great Frank Welker himself.
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Old June 25 2009, 02:13 PM   #115
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Optimus was too powerful and defeated the Fallen too easily.
To be fair, it wasn't Optimus that was powerful. It was his "enhancements" that made him powerful enough to take on The Fallen and the 'cons. This plays on a concept that has its roots in G1 where Ginrai (the Japanese version of Powermaster Optimus Prime) combined with another Transformer called Godbomber to make himself more powerful.

That said, I really wish that fight scene had been longer. What was there was spectacular however!
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Old June 25 2009, 02:23 PM   #116
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So... how come people are allowed to express whatever views they happen to have on this film without incident, when anyone seen to be disliking Star Trek on here was ceremoniously whinged at?
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Old June 25 2009, 02:24 PM   #117
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So... how come people are allowed to express whatever views they happen to have on this film without incident, when anyone seen to be disliking Star Trek on here was ceremoniously whinged at?
Hey, that's not fair, I whinged at ya for not liking it.
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Old June 25 2009, 02:31 PM   #118
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Excellent for all the shots of Megan Fox looking hot and all the scenes of robots beating the shit out of each other.

The script was bland and predictable as expected. Honestly though I think a good script would ruin a Transformers movie anyways.

Overall I'll gave it a very generous average score. It was fun and I'll probably see it again in IMAX.
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Old June 25 2009, 02:48 PM   #119
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I was not really impressed, actually. Here's my review:

First off, the marketing campaign seems to have worked. The crowds coming to see the movie required not one but two separate theatres to house them in. I don't think I've seen that before. Of course, the vast majority of the audience where men between 20 and 35 :P Although there were some women.

As for the movie itself, I was quite underwhelmed. At the start it provided a logical progression from the first movie: the Transformers are on Earth, and the Autobots and the miltary of the US and UK have teamed up to hunt down the remaining Decepticons, hiding in various locations. They operate from a military base on Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean and have been joined by a number of Autobots who answered Optimus Prime's call at the end of the last movie. Among them the impressively cool warrior Sideswipe, the three Arcee motorbikes and the twins, Mudflap and Skids.

The opening scene is set in Shanghai where the massive Decepticon Demolishor is hunted down and killed. Cool action sequences, most notably of Sideswipe slicing the Decepticon car Sideways in two. Sadly, that is all we'll see of both these new characters.

From that scene things get worse. Whereas the humour in the first film bordered on slapstick, it was fresh enough to be entertaining. I would not be surprised if some of the scenes with Sam and his parents where the result of the actors' improvisations. In ROTF, though, all the humour is scripted and falls horribly flat. Some is just gross. Think dogs humping each other, Sam's mom high on spacecake and the tiny Decepticon-turned-Autobot Wheelie humping Michaela's leg... Cringe-worthy.

Surprisingly, the comic relief in the form of Skids and Mudflap was not too bad. They are characters in the mold of Jar Jar Binks but their banter amongst each other and against Sam's sidekick Leo was short enough to not be too bothersome.

Despite the film's running length of 147 minutes, things felt rushed. Optimus Prime's death at the hands of Megatron, his subsequent resurrection, Jetfire's sacrifice and the destruction of The Fallen and his machine. It all happened so fast that it felt it was just all in a day's work. For Michael Bay, I think, it actually is

Despite the popularity of the sport, I won't be participating in a round of Bay-bashing. As director, he does his thing and he does so well enough. No, here the writing was the problem. Too much crammed into it (most of the interesting new Transformers are not named, killed off in the first minutes or merely seen from a distance) and failed attempts at humour seriously hurt the film.

Most striking disappointment: Devastator. He is not the combination of seven Contructicons, but seemingly an independent mind which happens to have a robot form made out of seven contruction vehicles. While Devastator was climbing the pyramid, the Constructicons themselves were in the fight in the village. I call that a major screw-up.
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Old June 25 2009, 03:50 PM   #120
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Optimus was too powerful and defeated the Fallen too easily.
I had the opposite reaction to the first movie and thought that they made Prime too weak when he fought Megatron. In the cartoons and comics Prime is often shown to be more powerful then Megatron, despite what Megatron might believe.
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