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Old June 27 2009, 07:03 PM   #196
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Re: Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen - Grading & Discussion

The only things I liked were: How they reinvented Soundwave, everything involving Ravage, and Jetfire (even though having a robot mimic the personality and physical traits of an aging human being is beyond stupid, it was still entertaining to watch and I loved his overall personality and desire to become an Autobot). And all of that was just so-so at best.

Tragic waste of a potentially great action-adventure franchise.
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Old June 27 2009, 07:53 PM   #197
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Jetfire (AKA Skyfire) being a Decepticon is actually a sort of a reference to the old comics and TV series, both of which had him be a Decepticon before switching sides to Autobots.
The mystical nature of the matrix, the space bridge and the sun destroyer were also explored in the cartoon series, rather than any toys.
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Old June 27 2009, 09:00 PM   #198
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Re: Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen - Grading & Discussion

Been twice (my wife to IMAX last night, my son to a morning show). Didn't like it.

Let me say that I thought the first ninety minutes were okay. But the 45 minute special effects extravaganza just left me bored to tears.

Did we really need forty-five minutes straight of robots punching on each other?
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Old June 27 2009, 09:04 PM   #199
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One question...

Is the silver corvette suppose to be Hot Rod aka Rodimus Prime?

Been a couple of decades since I watched the cartoon.
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Old June 27 2009, 09:27 PM   #200
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You know.. even with the Michael Bay factor added the movie was still bad.

I was pleasantly surprised by Transformers for the most part.. it was a Bay movie allright but some scenes were just too cool and the overall story worked (hated the closeup action scenes though because you couldn't tell what's happening until one Bot was standing and the other was down).

This movie was just too crammed.. to many Bots, a paperthin story (even for Bay) and somehow it never clicked.

The action for the most part was cleaner this time and i loved the last 30 minutes or so with all the military porn but that was it. A weak sequel i'm afraid but it will still bring in big bucks an be profitable so ready yourself for Transformer 3.

However Bay has stated he doesn't want to do TF anymore so i'm curious how a non-Bay version might look.
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Old June 27 2009, 09:49 PM   #201
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The Silver Corvette was Sideswipe. Interestingly, the brother relationship between Sideswipe and Sunstreaker (Who wasn't in the film) from the cartoon was instead given to Mudflap and Skids, who in the original had no relation.



BTW did anybody else notice Deep Roy (Keenser in Star Trek) as the Pyramid guard?
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Old June 28 2009, 12:46 AM   #202
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I love that part, where Simmons said he was a tourist from New York with his kids.
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Old June 28 2009, 03:55 AM   #203
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It really wasn't as good as I'd hoped it would be. *sighs* First T4 now this. Only hope is G.I.Joe.
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Old June 28 2009, 04:18 AM   #204
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I thought it was...okay. The special effects and the action were top notch, and the story was kind of interesting, but it was all buried beneath way too much expository dialogue and way too many comic relief characters, most of which were complete failures.

Skids and Mudflap added nothing; the movie would have been better served if they'd been excised completely and Bumblebee made Sam's sole Autobot companion, like in the first movie. Sam's college roommate was completely pointless, and shouldn't have been in the movie once Sam and Mikaela left the college. Sam's mom was way over-the-top, and not in a good way. Simmons was funny, but did we really need to see him in a thong? And was Devastator's swinging ballsack supposed to be funny?

Optimus being absent for a long stretch of the movie really hurt it, I think. I get what they were trying to go for in paralleling what happened to Megatron, but Optimus, IMO, is the heart and soul of Transformers. He is the star of the show, in every incarnation. I want to see more of him, not more of Shia LaBeouf running around dodging 'splosions (though I don't really have a problem with LaBeouf, like a lot of folks seem to).

I'm really glad they decided to ignore that Bumblebee got his voice back at the end of TF1, though. He's a lot more fun when he can only communicate through audio clips.
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Old June 28 2009, 05:27 AM   #205
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I just got back from seeing Transformers 2 and I must say Michael Bay has got to be the worst director in the history of the film industry. He makes Ed Wood look like Orson Wells.

The cinematography and editing in this movie is awful! It was two and a half hours of random random, incomprehensible images flashing on the screen a million miles a second. Half the time I could not tell what the hell was going on!

I understand this is supposed to be a movie about giant robots fighting each other, and I was perfectly prepared to enjoy it on that level. The problem is when ever the robots would transform or fight, the camera would zoom in so close you couldn't make out the action. Not only that, but the camera was continuously moving in every single shot! I mean come on, is a tripod going to kill you!

Why Michael Bay thinks this is the proper way to film a movie I don't know. He's lucky this movie is called Transformers. That Transformer brand name might enable this movie to make its money back. If this movie was called anything else, we'd be looking at a huge bomb!
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Old June 28 2009, 05:50 AM   #206
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However Bay has stated he doesn't want to do TF anymore
No, he does, he just wants to wait till 2012 to get it out.
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Old June 28 2009, 05:53 AM   #207
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Yeah, he wants to take a little break this time, and I don't blame him. He's probably had Transformers on the brain for the last four or five years.

Maybe this means ST2 will come out in 2011, with TF3 in 2012.
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Old June 28 2009, 07:38 AM   #208
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To those who've seen the movie, how does Welker's Soundwave sound? Anything like the original? And does he do anything in the film?
Like those two or three instances in G1 where his voice wasn't modulated over a vocoder. In other words, Dr. Claw.
Cool. So basically the same way he sounded on Robot Chicken?
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Old June 28 2009, 05:06 PM   #209
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Skids and Mudflap added nothing; the movie would have been better served if they'd been excised completely and Bumblebee made Sam's sole Autobot companion, like in the first movie. Sam's college roommate was completely pointless, and shouldn't have been in the movie once Sam and Mikaela left the college. Sam's mom was way over-the-top, and not in a good way. Simmons was funny, but did we really need to see him in a thong? And was Devastator's swinging ballsack supposed to be funny?
I pretty much agree with this. Skids and Mudflap weren't important, at all. They were kinda funny, but took up too much screen time, IMO. I would have preferred more screen time for the other autobots, like Bumblebee, Rachet and Ironhide. Sam's roommate became irritating after about two minutes. Aside from a few genuinely funny moments (like with the taser), he was disposable. I really love Sam's mom but they should have cut the scene with the brownies. Basically, they needed to drop all of the forced, unnecessary humor because it wasn't actually funny.
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Old June 28 2009, 05:07 PM   #210
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Revenge Of The Fallen alternate ending: what would have happened if the Decepticons hadn't been completely incompetent and relied entirely on one small and useless bot to track down the Allspark shard?
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