Captain America... Spoilers

[Turtletrekker]

^What issue was that?

[CaptainCanada]

Thor (v.3) #11.

[Captain Craig]

The Evil Dead wrote:

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So now Bruce Wayne is the only superhero who is dead that we are waiting to return?

Aquaman is still due a proper return.

Mr Light wrote:

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I just bought the first two trades of "Death of Cap", do I need to read the four trades that proceeded it? That would be #1-24. I also got "Fallen Son", should I read that before the first Death trade or concurrently with it?

Can you, or someone tell me the names of the trades collecting Brubaker Cap issues #15-24? I can't seem to find them.
I have Winter Soldier vol1&2(issues 1-14) then Death of CA vol1 (issues 25-30) with vol 2-3 coming.

[Mr Light]

So he literally did die then and went to the afterlife, so they'll have to magically/mystically ressurect him? I think I would have preferred a faked death / body swap bit. I'm not crazy when a non-magical character has a huge life altering magical event happen to him *coughs*One More Day*coughs*

[Mr Light]

#1 Winter Soldier Part One. #2 Winter Soldier Part Two. #3 Red Menace Part One. #4 Red Menace Part Two. #5 Cap Civil War. #6 Death Cap Part One.

[Captain Craig]

Thank you.

[Guy Gardener]

Mr Light wrote:

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So he literally did die then and went to the afterlife, so they'll have to magically/mystically ressurect him? I think I would have preferred a faked death / body swap bit. I'm not crazy when a non-magical character has a huge life altering magical event happen to him *coughs*One More Day*coughs*

They talk about Hercules being Drunk all the time while fighting super villains, but you know Thor is just as bad. that's not an archaic Scandinavian accent: He's slurring his words.

Back in Avengers Annual 16(ish?) they went to hell and fought a bunch of dead super villains, including Norman Osborn.

These things happen.

besides, what if a person can have more than one soul? or it cautiously ejection in parts in case there is some unforeseen resurrection? Or they can grow a new one if they come back from the dead after flatlining? Stuff.

[Nick Ryder]

Well... I keep thinking that Cap's Super Soldier serum would have regenerated the damaged parts of his body. Remember back in the 90s Cap's serum was wearing off and he was dying for a while... the ugh... shudder shudder "RoboCap" time. Now he had the serum basically rebooted then. So its still technically "fresh" in his system, and maybe them throwing him in the ocean in a block of ice was the smartest thing they could do, since it would preserve his tissue and allow the serum to gradually work on the damage.

I think Cap never truly died. Sure he "died" but he didn't completely go away... and heh who knows maybe Heaven knows that Mephisto fucked up the MU and y'know what they don't want Osborn and Mephy screwin' up the MU any more than it is, so they sorta keep Capachino in a "holding" area until he's ready.

Then... Cap busts out of his coffin, takes a couple of days to warm up... fuckin ocean's fuckin freezing doncha know? Then goes and stops RoboSkull and shoves his mechanical arm straight up his ass! Not literally of course.

Then goes and shoves Norman's glider up his ass... literally.

Then, takes the Patriot armor and takes over HAMMER, with Bucky's help whups ass. Takes names. And then takes over the white house booting out the skinny black dude! Hey it could happen.

[Hermiod]

^Barack's mates with Spider-Man and if Spidey vouches for someone, that's good enough for Cap.

[FPAlpha]

We all knew it would happen but yet i can't feel anything but sadness at the creative level of Marvel (and DC too).

This resurrection shtick was old even when i was a kid over 20 years ago but then as a kid it didn't bother me at all. Now however i'm disappointed because Marvel is just creatively bankrupt.

I know that it is hard to come up with new stories and new characters each year but if you are doing such a major thing as killing of one of your iconic characters think very hard and long about it and then either commit to it or simply don't kill him off.

I'm also sick and tired of the bullshit they spew forth like they know about this return stuff comics are famous for etc and with this death its permanent, finito and he'll never come back only to backpedal some time later and return the character.

With all this in mind the decision was easy last year to stop reading comics altogether.. i can keep track of the stories via Wikipedia if i'm interested enough and the latest developments in the industry (4$ a book??? Seriously?) just reinforces my decision.

To everyone who has still fun enjoy it.. if you can ignore or stave off the cynicism i feel towards the industry good for you. I'm done with them.

[JoeZhang]

Neither DC or marvel have made any pretense that Batman (who isn't even dead to start with) or Captain America would be dead for any period of time.

So anyone going "wow what a surprise" is missing the point, it was planned all along, it was discussed all along - this is coporate owned serial fiction and whining that "people don't stay dead" completely misses the point. If you don't like that, I suggest you get another hobby - It's like complaining that some of the stories in wrestling are "a bit hokey" or that it's staged.

[FPAlpha]

JoeZhang wrote:

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Neither DC or marvel have made any pretense that Batman (who isn't even dead to start with) or Captain America would be dead for any period of time.

So anyone going "wow what a surprise" is missing the point, it was planned all along, it was discussed all along - this is coporate owned serial fiction and whining that "people don't stay dead" completely misses the point. If you don't like that, I suggest you get another hobby - It's like complaining that some of the stories in wrestling are "a bit hokey" or that it's staged.

But if you use the same device over and over again it becomes a "bit" stale, don't you think?

One need only remember how many times Jean Grey died to be fed up with this storytelling device and i for one have reached my limit. I have other hobbies and this one is closed for now.. maybe i'll revisit in about 10 years as i did last time.. stopped reading them in my 20s altogether before returning a few years ago.

[Mr Light]

There's an article in the back of the "Death of Cap" trade where Jim McCann Marvel Sales & Marketing says it's not a stunt Steve Rogers is gone from comics for good.

[JoeZhang]

FPAlpha wrote:

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But if you use the same device over and over again it becomes a "bit" stale, don't you think?

But what else are you going to do? The aging reactionary comics superhero audience constantly show with their purchases that they are not particular interested in change, they want their comfort blankets.

[Mr Light]

I thought Civil War was the best selling comics in recent years and that was all about change. Also, Cap #25 where he dies I think I read was the top selling comic issue of that year?