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Old October 19 2013, 02:23 PM   #211
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Re: Star Trek: The Doomsday Machine - Special Edition Screencaps

I'd use the shuttle look but cut it to a one person cockpit
make it half the size and get rid of the small circular engines
on the side unless your doing a TOS Shuttle Pod
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Old October 19 2013, 03:36 PM   #212
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Meh, why not just use the existing workbee, as the Prof has done? If it's in use at least from 2273-2373, what's a few years further back from 2273?
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Old October 19 2013, 04:56 PM   #213
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Meh, why not just use the existing workbee, as the Prof has done? If it's in use at least from 2273-2373, what's a few years further back from 2273?
Well before seeing that picture I would have used the workbee but I would have flattened all the curves making it more angular
that would have suggested an earlier version of the craft. but it looks great the way it is also
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Old October 19 2013, 06:26 PM   #214
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Meh, why not just use the existing workbee, as the Prof has done? If it's in use at least from 2273-2373, what's a few years further back from 2273?
Well before seeing that picture I would have used the workbee but I would have flattened all the curves making it more angular
that would have suggested an earlier version of the craft. but it looks great the way it is also
One thing that I am considering is making my TOS Workbee white or light grayish-green. No one has ever seen a Workbee from the TOS era, so who is to say that they have always been school bus yellow?

On the other hand, the whole reason I am building this model in the first place is to have some familiar-looking equipment to put in my hangar deck, and the yellow Workbee will make a nice color contrast from the cool blues and grays of the Enterprise shuttle bay. Hmm...
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Old October 19 2013, 07:39 PM   #215
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Still have a ways to go on this, but it's getting closer. This test video is strictly so that I can see where I still need to work on the textures and modeling. I already spotted at least two big problems with the forward thruster pods (i.e., I forgot to texture them ), the positioning of the workbee logo is messed up and overall I think the general hull color is just a little too dingy. But... it's getting closer.

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First, this is a beautiful texturing job, Professor. So I'm not questioning your talent, but I keep looking at the black and yellow stripes and something's wrong about them. When I look at contemporary vehicles, the only place I see such striping is where there's something obviously dangerous ... more so than the vehicle itself. It just feels odd to decorate it with caution stripes. Maybe black and yellow plates around the thrusters, or black and yellow on any gripper attachments, or even stripes around the hatch?

I like the idea of seeing this in Starfleet Hull Gray, too, but it's obvious you're deliberately looking for a color that we immediately associate with construction vehicles.
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Old October 20 2013, 05:59 AM   #216
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First, this is a beautiful texturing job, Professor. So I'm not questioning your talent, but I keep looking at the black and yellow stripes and something's wrong about them. When I look at contemporary vehicles, the only place I see such striping is where there's something obviously dangerous ... more so than the vehicle itself. It just feels odd to decorate it with caution stripes. Maybe black and yellow plates around the thrusters, or black and yellow on any gripper attachments, or even stripes around the hatch?

I like the idea of seeing this in Starfleet Hull Gray, too, but it's obvious you're deliberately looking for a color that we immediately associate with construction vehicles.
The caution tape was added for DS9, I think.
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Old October 20 2013, 07:11 AM   #217
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One thing that I am considering is making my TOS Workbee white or light grayish-green. No one has ever seen a Workbee from the TOS era, so who is to say that they have always been school bus yellow?
There was a TOS-style workbee in one of the past calendar images, painted gray like the shuttles. Took me a few minutes to find it, but it's the January 2005 picture. And I know the ones in TMP were yellow, but the washed-out color of that movie makes them look white-ish to me.
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Old October 21 2013, 03:59 AM   #218
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When I look at contemporary vehicles, the only place I see such striping is where there's something obviously dangerous ... more so than the vehicle itself. It just feels odd to decorate it with caution stripes.
I tend to agree, but the studio model built for Star Trek: The Motion Picture has these stripes:

http://stratoartblog.files.wordpress...christies1.jpg

But then again, here's what Maurice said:

Maurice, the link you posted is blocked... what evidence are you trying to show for your assertion? This is the first time I've heard anyone say that the ST:TMP workbee was modified for one of the TV series.
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Old October 21 2013, 05:07 AM   #219
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Hmmm.


You can have any color you want, as long as it's white. Click to emwhiten.

Now that I'm seeing her in white I'm kinda leaning in this direction. And now the stripes really stick out.

Hmmm.
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Old October 21 2013, 05:28 AM   #220
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Ditto - I like the white over the yellow as well.
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Old October 21 2013, 06:27 AM   #221
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Maurice, the link you posted is blocked... what evidence are you trying to show for your assertion? This is the first time I've heard anyone say that the ST:TMP workbee was modified for one of the TV series.
I never recall seeing the zebra stripes in TMP, and the reference photos I used back in 1986 to build a 3D model didn't have them either. I don't see them in TMP or in screenshots from that film, and various models people have made of the workbee since then don't feature them, either. Heck, even the Drex Files had diagrams of them minus the stripes. You don't see them anywhere else in TMP, and knowing how Andy Probert designs stuff with functionality in mind, such markings are unlikely to have been applied where they are on the model for TMP, because they make no sense there: caution, waistline? I might be wrong, but I can't find any TMP era images in which the stripes can be seen.
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Old October 21 2013, 12:33 PM   #222
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You know what? You're right! I just went to Trekcore.com and examined the HD screencaps of scenes where the Workbee was seen. It's hard to tell, but in at least one or two shots the caution stripes were not visible. Someone must have altered the studio model at some point after 1978.

("Caution: waistline!")
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Old October 21 2013, 01:28 PM   #223
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Without its zerba stripes it's no longer a workbee

Yeah, the white hull definitely looks better without the zebra stripes.
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Old October 21 2013, 04:22 PM   #224
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Re: Star Trek: The Doomsday Machine - Special Edition Screencaps

Amazing what a simple color change makes!

In the original yellow, the craft just didn't look like something we might have seen during the series '66 to '69 run. But in "white", it suddenly appears like something that could have been built as both a miniature and a full scale mock-up. Well, maybe without a few of the surface panels and the reaction thrusters (since we didn't see anything like them upon the Galileo or the "E" itself). No, I'm not suggesting you change anything; these are simply my personal biases.

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Old October 21 2013, 04:33 PM   #225
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I really like the white look as well. As usual, great work!
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