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View Poll Results: Chakotay / Seven pairing gets:
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Old July 11 2009, 05:51 AM   #496
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Re: Opinions on Chakotay & Seven

wow....
that was wrong.
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Old July 11 2009, 06:34 AM   #497
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Never tried to open a front door with a chisel have you?

Everyone needs a universal tool.

I wonder what sort of permission Christie needed to "breakup" the happy couple? was there a nod, or was it such a non point that no one even considered it worth the red tape? On the other side of the spectrum, I'm guessing that there must have been some serious lawyer screaming while Killing the Captain, but could some writer just decide with as little regard or equanimity to say break up Tom and B'Elanna?

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Old July 11 2009, 05:50 PM   #498
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KimC, I forgot about that, but you're right. They did get different "tools" when they were assimilated. In fact, when I think about it, some drones had different arm attachments, eye pieces, etc.
Then wouldn't this follow the saying: If everyone is special, then nobody is?

I think the question we might be overlooking is: What was Seven's function in a unimatrix of Nine? For example: if B'elanna was given a vocal processor but Janeway & Tuvok weren't then it might serve a function when combined with Janeway & Tuvok's functions. Drones functioning collectively within the Collective. So in that case, what if Seven's perpressor isn't just to surpress "her" emotions but when combined within her unimatrix of nine, it works collectively to surpress all of them. Another example is: for every say 5 unimatrix', there is one medical drone to attend to them.

This would explain why the EMH didn't know it. The drone he studied was responsible for that function within his unimatrix. It would further explain the Doctor's comment in "Dark Frontier" about finding a Borg medical arm as a rare thing.
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Old July 11 2009, 06:59 PM   #499
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Then wouldn't this follow the saying: If everyone is special, then nobody is?
When talking about the Borg the term would be specialized, not special. A tertiary (third) adjunct wouldn't be very high in the hierarchy of the unimatrix itself, but we are talking about the Queen's inner circle. Marikah "Survival Instinct" would actually have the higher ranking as Three of Nine Auxiliary Processor.

This again is interesting because Marikah, possibly the first Bajoran assimilated is also in the Queen's inner circle. It's also interesting that Magnus Hansen is apparently in the Queen's inner circle too. Incidentally the other two drones from “Survival Instinct” would be Two of Nine Primary Adjunct and Four of Nine Secondary Adjunct of Unimatrix Zero One. The Queen by the way would probably be something like One of Nine, Primary Processor of Unimatrix Zero One.

Now each drone would have a function, but Seven would also have a secondary function, that of worthy successor, and she would be available should the Borg have need of a new queen. That being said, it is also probable that there would be one or two more worthy successors.

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Old July 11 2009, 07:40 PM   #500
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Why would the Borg install special technology in one drone?

I'm sorry, but that makes no sense at all.
Well according to the Queen Seven was "special" and left on the ship intentionally by the borg. Perhaps the dampener was there so that Seven would be easier to re-assimilate.

Except that the dampener is part of the cortical node.

Seven doesn't have the same cortical node she came aboard the ship with.
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Except that the dampener is part of the cortical node.

Seven doesn't have the same cortical node she came aboard the ship with.

Except that the Cordial Node is technology that is generated in the drone’s body not placed there. It is a product of the original programming. In that case the node no matter where it come from, would adapt to the original programming. If Seven needed a emotion dampener for whatever reason, Icheb’s node whether it had one in the first place would generate one. The Borg are known to recycle parts so anything would have to revert to the drone’s intended programming.

I think that the case can be made that Icheb didn’t have a emotional dampener when one considers the episode “Child’s Play.” Would Icheb even be able to offer Seven his cordial node facing the possibly of his own death if he had had one in the first place? Or would his system simply shut down as we saw Seven’s in “Human Error?”

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Old July 11 2009, 08:37 PM   #502
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Except that the dampener is part of the cortical node.

Seven doesn't have the same cortical node she came aboard the ship with.

Except that the Cordial Node is technology that is generated in the drone’s body not placed there.
That's an interesting theory.

However there are no "cordial" Borg. They don't have "cordial nodes," they have "cortical nodes."

It refers to the cerebral cortex. I'd just hate to see you put so much work into this story and turn off readers with a simple mistake.
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Old July 11 2009, 08:58 PM   #503
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It might be that such an emotional dampener is one of the last steps of the assimilation process, and Icheb wasn't completely "finished" being assimilated. That was why he could donate the cortical node in the first place. When it was placed in Seven's "head," it would conform to her programming.
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LOL Thanks Teya, it's not a secret that I can't spell and am dependent on spell check. I do however have a beta that spells like a spelling champion, so the mistake wouldn't have made it to the end product.

One other thought before I have to go run Saturday errands, if Seven didn't have an emotional dampener before she got Icheb's cortical node, she probably would have noticed the difference. In fact she may have begun a frantic search for something to heighten her perceptions and it would have happened quickly.

If you think of Seven as a protoqueen, then the next question would be why Seven's original cortical node malfunctioned in the first place. Was there a flaw in the programming, or did the Borg need a "kill switch" for those that failed their test of loyalty?

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One other thought before I have to go run Saturday errands, if Seven didn't have an emotional dampener before she got Icheb's cortical node, she probably would have noticed the difference. In fact she may have begun a frantic search for something to heighten her perceptions and it would have happened quickly.
That's why it makes sense to me that she had one all the time, however it happened.
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Never tried to open a front door with a chisel have you?

Everyone needs a universal tool.

I wonder what sort of permission Christie needed to "breakup" the happy couple? was there a nod, or was it such a non point that no one even considered it worth the red tape? On the other side of the spectrum, I'm guessing that there must have been some serious lawyer screaming while Killing the Captain, but could some writer just decide with as little regard or equanimity to say break up Tom and B'Elanna?

What is sacred?

they whole thing was just a ridiculous attempt by the producers to attach seven to...anybody....and explore sexuality.
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Old July 13 2009, 12:05 AM   #507
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No, they wanted to give the illusion of exploring her sexuality with out actually having to follow through, like when you tell your kids that YES you will play monopoly with them because you love them and want to spend time with them, 5 minutes before they have to brush their teeth for bedtime.

They knew the limits of their mandate. Titillate with out any follow through. Follow through is bad.

I wanted to explore the sexuality of all the characters, see what they had to offer, then screw with the status quo and wait for explosions and bed hopping and... I have been watching altogether too much One tree Hill.
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Old July 13 2009, 12:45 AM   #508
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^^You're right about them not wanting to explore this facet of Voyager's predicament. I was heartbroken to hear that they replaced Chakotay with Jaffen as Janeway's love interest in "Work Force." I wanted to see how the two of them coped with the repercussions of their involvement once their memories were restored. Oh, well. To continue the mantra--that's what fanfic is for!
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You'd have to think that all turbolifts come with emergency doors and rope ladders, and maybe an airgrate made out of tinfoil on one side after the first few thousand stirring bonding campouts after the lifts go down.
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You'd have to think that all turbolifts come with emergency doors and rope ladders, and maybe an airgrate made out of tinfoil on one side after the first few thousand stirring bonding campouts after the lifts go down.
The turbolift fanfic - a classic!
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