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View Poll Results: Which would you have preferred?
Star Trek: Phase II 19 61.29%
TOS Movies 12 38.71%
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Old June 12 2009, 10:09 PM   #16
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Re: Phase II or the TOS movies?

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I would have liked to see Xon and Illia and some of the planned episodes. Judging from the script in the Phase II book, the Phase II version of The Child would have been a lot better than the TNG one.
Yeah, but I thought the concept for Devil's Due was worse, so it balances out.

I liked TWOK-TSFS-TVH trilogy. That allowed us to get TNG and following spinoffs. If Phase II had been born, I don't think we would have seen anything else afterwards, which would be a shame.
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Old June 12 2009, 11:00 PM   #17
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Re: Phase II or the TOS movies?

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I would have liked to see Xon and Illia and some of the planned episodes. Judging from the script in the Phase II book, the Phase II version of The Child would have been a lot better than the TNG one.
Yeah, but I thought the concept for Devil's Due was worse, so it balances out.

I liked TWOK-TSFS-TVH trilogy. That allowed us to get TNG and following spinoffs. If Phase II had been born, I don't think we would have seen anything else afterwards, which would be a shame.
I liked the movies too.

Who knows how Phase II would have turned out? TNG's first season seems to be generally disliked, but there were another 6 seasons after that.
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Old June 13 2009, 12:07 AM   #18
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Re: Phase II or the TOS movies?

Seeing how Spock's my favorite Trek character, I went with the movies since he wouldn't have been a regular in Phase II. Ideally, I would have loved ST:TMP as the 2-hour premiere of Phase II followed by the series which included Spock exploring his newfound acceptance of emotions. They could have left Xon in as a backup science officer and used him to show the contrast between Xon as a Vulcan and Spock as accepting his human side more.
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Re: Phase II or the TOS movies?

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Which would you have preferred to go into production?
When I think of how many more hours of Trek we'd have had, I have to go with Phase II because instead of 5-10 hours of movies, we would have had more than that in a TV season.

On the other hand, the amount of money they were able to spend putting together the movies makes this a quantity versus quality issue.

Don't get me wrong. I enjoyed the movies immensely, with The Wrath of Khan my favorite of the bunch. I just would like to have seen more with the original crew. When you look at Trek, the Classic series gets the least amount of time and episodes.

And I wouldn't have minded seeing more of Ilia. I mean, more appearances.
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Old June 13 2009, 06:07 PM   #20
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Re: Phase II or the TOS movies?

In a sense I think we eventually did get Phase II, only it was as TNG particularly in the early seasons. Echoes of Phase II are right there in the series. Even the 1701D is conceptually similar to Ralph McQuarrie's paintings of a redesigned Enterprise.

For me part of the problem is that I look at TMP and like to imagine a series built on that and Phase II wouldn't have been that.
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Old June 13 2009, 06:09 PM   #21
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Re: Phase II or the TOS movies?

The Ralph McQuarrie design was for Planet Of The Titans. The Phase II Enterprise looked a lot like the TMP one.
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Old June 13 2009, 06:11 PM   #22
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Re: Phase II or the TOS movies?

The movies. We got more Spock.
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The Ralph McQuarrie design was for Planet Of The Titans. The Phase II Enterprise looked a lot like the TMP one.
I know. But McQarrie's paintings were printed in Starlog magazine around the time the rumours for Phase II were circulated.

I, for one, prefer the TMP refit design to the Phase II version. The Phase II version looks somewhat ungainly in my eyes and lacks grace.
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