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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: new SAREK
Mark Lenard is Sarek...but I like this new one too 26 89.66%
Awful casting!!! or as some might say CASTING VIOLATION! 3 10.34%
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Old June 10 2009, 03:43 PM   #16
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Re: Ben Cross or Mark Leanord?

While it would've cost too much, Liam Neeson could've done Sarek better.
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Old June 10 2009, 03:51 PM   #17
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I found he filled the role ably, as did all the others. Whenever someone is recast, I make a serious effort to NOT compare them to their predecessors except in the broadest terms. I try to evaluate them in terms of the characters they portray, not the actors they replace. It's not perfect (I cannot simply "forget" what I've come to know so well) but it helps to take a "theatrical" approach (stage play). In the same way I can enjoy both Olivier and Brannagh in Henry V (and I do not make an effort to compare them to each other as performers), I can enjoy Shatner and Pine as Kirk, Quinto and Nimoy as Spock and Lenard and Cross as Sarek, for example.

This is not to say I don't have favourites, but I try to judge the performers against the roles, rather than against each other.
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Old June 10 2009, 03:53 PM   #18
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Re: Ben Cross or Mark Leanord?

I think Mark Lenard's Sarek had more of an edge to him; but Ben Cross had plenty under the surface, IMO.

He managed to convey a Vulcan suffering horror and grief at the moment his wife failed to appear on the transporter pad -- without moving a muscle. I felt very sad for him.

And he was fortunate to be given the best line the character has ever had: "You asked me once why I married your mother; I married her because I loved her!"

His scene with Quinto in the transporter room when both characters were grieving was very moving to me.
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Old June 10 2009, 04:29 PM   #19
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Re: Ben Cross or Mark Leanord?

I agree with others: Ben Cross did very well as Spock's father, but Lenard's Sarek had a more dangerous edge.

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Old June 10 2009, 04:38 PM   #20
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(Was that a reference to "Flaaaares is alright, but it's taters whats feeds ya?" -- Tony Hancock)
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Old June 10 2009, 04:53 PM   #21
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I didn't like Ben Cross at all. Mark Lenard was alive and engaged in whatever scene he was in, even when he wasn't speaking. His character just had presence that you couldn't help but be drawn to. Cross didn't really do much but just sit there and say lines.
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Old June 10 2009, 05:36 PM   #22
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I thought Bein Crauss did a fine job, an ample successor to Maerc Leinahrrd's seminal character
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Old June 10 2009, 05:44 PM   #23
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I thought Bein Crauss did a fine job, an ample successor to Maerc Leinahrrd's seminal character
Seminal character?? I was getting ready to ask when did Mahrc Lennaerd ever play an ape, but then it hit me.
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Old June 10 2009, 05:56 PM   #24
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Re: Ben Cross or Mark Leanord?

I prefer Mark to Ben, and I do like Ben as an actor. But Mark was just better in the role to me.
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Old June 10 2009, 06:27 PM   #25
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I thought Bein Crauss did a fine job, an ample successor to Maerc Leinahrrd's seminal character

Great job with the roll.
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Old June 10 2009, 07:29 PM   #26
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I think Mark Lenard's Sarek had more of an edge to him; but Ben Cross had plenty under the surface, IMO.

He managed to convey a Vulcan suffering horror and grief at the moment his wife failed to appear on the transporter pad -- without moving a muscle. I felt very sad for him.

And he was fortunate to be given the best line the character has ever had: "You asked me once why I married your mother; I married her because I loved her!"

His scene with Quinto in the transporter room when both characters were grieving was very moving to me.
Yep, those are pretty much my thoughts too.

Like others have said, Mark Lenard will always be the definitive Sarek, but I thought Cross did an admirable job.

However, one wonders what events in the alternate timeline were so different as to cause this Sarek to start speaking in a British accent.
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Old June 10 2009, 08:07 PM   #27
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However, one wonders what events in the alternate timeline were so different as to cause this Sarek to start speaking in a British accent.
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Old June 10 2009, 08:08 PM   #28
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Lenard. Not even close.
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Old June 10 2009, 08:34 PM   #29
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I think Cross did a workman-like job, nothing special to it. Personally, I think that Mark Lenard was able to convey more with a single word, or subtle movement, and had a real presence on the screen. Not to mention he was sooo much better looking than Cross!
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Old June 10 2009, 10:14 PM   #30
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However, one wonders what events in the alternate timeline were so different as to cause this Sarek to start speaking in a British accent.
Don't make me think at the horror of the italian dubbing of Sarek in this movie. Ben Cross has a very peculiar voice, and in Italian they gave him the voice... of Riker. I wanted to cry.
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