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Old June 2 2009, 01:03 AM   #1
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What changed about the Borg?

I might have missed this during my marathon read of the Destiny trilogy and the subsequent, A Singular Destiny. I'm now midway though Full Circle and I still have no answer. Why did the Borg stop their aeons long tradition of assimilation in favor of speedy relentless genocide?

(If the answer is in Full Circle and I just haven't got to that part don't spoil me, otherwise fill me in!)

Was it the Borg's intention to forever give up assimilation or was this total change of MO just about humanity?
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Old June 2 2009, 01:06 AM   #2
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Re: What changed about the Borg?

Full Circle perhaps elaborates on it from Seven of Nine's perspective, but if you've read the Destiny trilogy, then you know that the Caeliar assimilated the Borg. There are no more Borg.

Though I'm sure the Borg will return in some form later. They are too profitable and well known a Trek adversary to leave alone, like the Klingons. Perhaps not in literature but in the new Trek films.
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Old June 2 2009, 01:20 AM   #3
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Re: What changed about the Borg?

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I might have missed this during my marathon read of the Destiny trilogy and the subsequent, A Singular Destiny. I'm now midway though Full Circle and I still have no answer. Why did the Borg stop their aeons long tradition of assimilation in favor of speedy relentless genocide?
Basically, after fifteen years of the Federation being an increasing irritant, the Borg had enough. If the Borg couldn't assimilate the Federation, it was more efficient to exterminate the Feds and their allies. Humanity was simply too dangerous to let live.
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Old June 2 2009, 01:31 AM   #4
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Re: What changed about the Borg?

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I might have missed this during my marathon read of the Destiny trilogy and the subsequent, A Singular Destiny. I'm now midway though Full Circle and I still have no answer. Why did the Borg stop their aeons long tradition of assimilation in favor of speedy relentless genocide?

(If the answer is in Full Circle and I just haven't got to that part don't spoil me, otherwise fill me in!)

Was it the Borg's intention to forever give up assimilation or was this total change of MO just about humanity?
Greater Than the Sum and Destiny I both established that it was Voyager's return, and built on something that VOY established about the Borg in "Mortal Coil" -- that the Borg will sometimes reject a species for assimilation and deem them a detraction from perfection.

Basically, when Voyager destroyed the Transwarp Hub network, they destroyed the entire Collective's ability to use transwarp drive, period, throughout the entire galaxy. This was such a major blow to the Collective that they decided that the Federation was no longer a minor irritant, but a genuine threat -- one so great that its existence and those of its allies could no longer be tolerated. They determined that the Federation and allied species should be deemed detractions from perfection and all of them exterminated, post haste, driven to extinction before they hurt the Collective even further. Upon exterminating the Federation and its primary allies, the Klingons, the Borg then intended to use Federation space as a rallying point from which to subjugate all of the known Alpha and Beta Quadrants.

Originally, the Collective anticipated reaching Federation space via regular warp drive. It was only after they stumbled upon the subspace tunnels that led to the Azure Nebula that the Collective hit upon the idea of using it to step up the timeframe for its invasion.
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Old June 2 2009, 01:51 AM   #5
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Re: What changed about the Borg?

I haven't read the books since they first came out so I might have just forgotten this, but how did the Borg first stumble across the tunnels?
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Old June 2 2009, 02:00 AM   #6
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Re: What changed about the Borg?

...and the Borg first announced their altered modus operandi to the Federation back in Resistance, and followed-up on it in Before Dishonor.
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Old June 2 2009, 03:39 AM   #7
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...and the Borg first announced their altered modus operandi to the Federation back in Resistance, and followed-up on it in Before Dishonor.
Different set of Borg. That was a branch of the Collective that had been cut off from the rest of the Collective; as such, it arrived at its modus operandi independently of the main Collective, which only adopted that new behavior towards the UFP and its allies (not uniformly, as the Supercube branch did).
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Old June 2 2009, 03:40 AM   #8
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Re: What changed about the Borg?

^Right. As Resistance explained, those Borg were in "kill" mode rather than "assimilate" mode because they were defending a nascent Queen.
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Old June 7 2009, 09:31 PM   #9
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Re: What changed about the Borg?

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I haven't read the books since they first came out so I might have just forgotten this, but how did the Borg first stumble across the tunnels?
It never really mentioned how they came across the tunnels IIRC...
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Old June 8 2009, 09:28 PM   #10
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Basically, when Voyager destroyed the Transwarp Hub network, they destroyed the entire Collective's ability to use transwarp drive, period
They should still have had the remaining hubs though, right?
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Old June 8 2009, 09:49 PM   #11
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Re: What changed about the Borg?

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Basically, when Voyager destroyed the Transwarp Hub network, they destroyed the entire Collective's ability to use transwarp drive, period
They should still have had the remaining hubs though, right?
Ah, this is the tricky bit. Logically, yes, but "Endgame" was rather inconsistant in this regard, sadly. The episode explicitly told us there were six hubs, and yet the crew continually acted as if destroying only the one would cripple the entire network. I suppose the Borg are a collective, though; maybe this once again proved their weakness. Maybe the neurolytic pathogen disabled some fail-safe that kept the hub controls from interacting with those in other unimatrices controlling other hubs...or maybe I'm spouting babble here? Anyway, the authors of the novels have followed "Endgame's" lead in portraying the entire network as gone, as this is what was explicitly portrayed on screen.
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Old June 8 2009, 10:17 PM   #12
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The way I look at it is that the destroyed hub was the only one that led to the part of the galaxy occupied by the Federation and its neighbors, so as far as Trek storytelling is concerned, the other five hubs are irrelevant (pardon the expression).
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Old June 8 2009, 10:28 PM   #13
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They were overused and far too easily defeated.
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Old June 8 2009, 11:01 PM   #14
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Re: What changed about the Borg?

I was under the impression that the novels were proceeding on the assumption that knocking out that one transwarp hub caused some sort of chain reaction that either destroyed or disabled all of the other transwarp hubs and which collapsed all of the transwarp tunnels that the Borg transwarp coils had been used to access, thereby ending transwarp capability for all Borg vessels throughout the Milky Way Galaxy.
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Old June 8 2009, 11:49 PM   #15
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^I don't know if the novels ever clarified that. But under my interpretation, it doesn't matter to the narrative whether that happened or not. That's the beauty of it.
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