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Old July 21 2015, 10:21 PM   #1
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Founders and Solids living in Peace?

Is it - after the the Dominion War, and given that the Founders are xenophobic - possible that changelings and solids can live in peace?

Odo as part of the Great Link may have a positive influence.

On the other hand there was Laas - he never related to Odo's friendship to many of the solids.
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Old July 21 2015, 11:14 PM   #2
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Re: Founders and Solids living in Peace?

Is there evidence that societies shift away from racism? It happens, often slowly, but more rapidly in the face of a crushing defeat and with the help of thoughtful leaders. I could not myself imagine the shift in German attitudes without Adenauer directly seeking alliances with Israel and support from Jewish organizations, something which helped to reconstruct German identity.
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Old July 21 2015, 11:41 PM   #3
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Re: Founders and Solids living in Peace?

I'm not sure what the litverse says about it but I honestly don't see it. As much influence as Odo might have, I think the countless other changelings will influence him more.

It always seemed like they would be nervously on guard as long as that wormhole was accessible.

I see the Dominion staying in the Gamma quadrant but building for war. Always building.
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Old July 21 2015, 11:54 PM   #4
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Re: Founders and Solids living in Peace?

As to the litverse it is a `we leave you alone and you leave us alone´situation between the AQ and the Dominion.




I'm wondering if and how many shapeshifters are still at large in the AQ, disguised as Lieutenant Whoever or so....

Here is at least one shapeshifter in the forum...
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Old July 22 2015, 07:57 PM   #5
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Re: Founders and Solids living in Peace?

I expect the Dominion launched an invasion force going the long way back around season 4, and it should reach the Alpha Quadrant in 90 years or so.
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Old July 22 2015, 11:36 PM   #6
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In the long long term, sure. In the short term, the Dominion probably went dark and consolidated GQ power.

I agree the Founders would want to keep spies in the Federation. But, to do that, it would have to be spies who never had contact with the Link after Broken Link. Or else they'd be dead, or they wouldn't have been able to get through the sensor net that the Fed undoubtedly installed at the entrance to the wormhole after the war.
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Old July 26 2015, 09:32 PM   #7
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There must still be changelings around in the AQ, even after the end of the war. The question remains: what are they up to?
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Old July 27 2015, 01:29 AM   #8
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Re: Founders and Solids living in Peace?

Keeping an eye on everything to smooth the way for the battle fleet. I'm sure some Founders were in the AQ from season 2 if not earlier.

Was it ever established that the Founders were ignorant of the wormhole until Dax and Sisko discovered it?
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Old July 27 2015, 02:13 AM   #9
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Re: Founders and Solids living in Peace?

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I expect the Dominion launched an invasion force going the long way back around season 4, and it should reach the Alpha Quadrant in 90 years or so.
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I'm sure when the fleet arrive in the Alpha Quadrant they are nothing more then an Armanda.
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Old July 27 2015, 12:19 PM   #10
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Re: Founders and Solids living in Peace?

Solids and Changelings can learn not to invade each other’s space. This is enough. The Changelings can expand as much as they want within their quadrant if they don’t threaten the borders of the solids in the AQ and BQ. No need to be best friends, a grudging peace will do. The question is whether the solids will stop their incursions through the wormhole and their expansion into the Gama Quadrant? They may call it exploration but from a Changeling’s point of view, it is a downright invasion.
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Old July 28 2015, 02:46 AM   #11
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I don't buy that there is a Dominion fleet heading toward the AQ. You need a base of operations and supply lines. If the Dominion fleet is heading toward the AQ they're doing it slowly conquering and establishing power bases as they go. So maybe 200 years.

I think the solids will stop making incursions into the GQ. At least for a while. The Federation is perched at the only access point and if they went 75 years without making a cloaking device they'll sure as hell uphold a treaty that is actually a good idea. But they'll probably occasionally sent out communications to try to start up diplomatic relations, because the Federation.

Given the logic of the Trek universe, I think a couple centuries in the future the Federation and Dominion do coexist peacefully.
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Old July 28 2015, 03:28 AM   #12
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I doubt it. The founders were basically mustache twirling villains. Ironically, the Vorta, and Jem'Hadar(who were bread for singular purpose) were written much more sympathetically, and dynamically, than those who are ultimately their leaders/gods.
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Old July 28 2015, 10:38 PM   #13
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Re: Founders and Solids living in Peace?

That brings up an interesting question. The Female Changeling was out of touch with the Great Link for most of the Dominion War and acting on her own. Maybe she was especially harsh during the war and the rest of the Link would have been willing to coexist with the other AQ powers?
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Old July 28 2015, 10:41 PM   #14
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Re: Founders and Solids living in Peace?

It all depends on Odo's influence. I guess a grudging tolerance, nothing more, is possible. The Founders are still xenophobic. Laas didn't get along with the solids after all.
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Old July 29 2015, 12:15 AM   #15
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Re: Founders and Solids living in Peace?

Could they live in peace? As people of course they could. After all we have already seen and met several shifter species and there has been no great anti-shifter crusade.

It may be that we see this from the point of the Federation, an open multi-species society, which is less fearful of others. While single-species nations and autocratic empires would have more issues with the Changelings.

There are however also some other issues. The Dominion itself, it is set up as an absentee absolute bureaucratic monarchy. There appears only a handful active Founders, while the rest is embroiled in an never-ending orgy. So only those active Founders could find out that not all solids are bad, however it is these active Founders who are waging the war. Also remember that the Dominion is is constantly at war or participates in a conflict - after all the average life expectancy of a Jem'Hadar is 15 years, even if they are able to live at least by 30.
Even with Odo as part-ruler, or later co-ruler, we have not seen any significant changes in policy in the Dominium.
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