"Terminator Salvation" ending POLL (Spoilers)

The Borgified Corpse · May 27 2009, 04:27 AM

After all of the discussion of the different endings to Terminator Salvation, I thought we should get some numbers attached to this. Personally, the more I think about it, the more I'm convinced the movie was shite anyway. I'm not sure either ending satisfies me.

What did you folks think?

T'Baio · May 27 2009, 04:33 AM

They should have stuck with their original idea of grafting Connor's skin onto Marcus' endoskeleton.

That was interesting in the way it turns the mythos' theme on its head.

trampledamage · May 27 2009, 04:35 AM

I agree. Just think where they could have gone with the idea of the leader of the Resistance being a machine.

Although I don't think they should have grafted Connor's skin because that would mean Christian Bale playing him in the next movie. I think they should have just let it be Marcus taking on the name of Connor - since very few people know what he looks like anyway.

Skywalker · May 27 2009, 04:42 AM

trampledamage wrote:

Although I don't think they should have grafted Connor's skin because that would mean Christian Bale playing him in the next movie. I think they should have just let it be Marcus taking on the name of Connor - since very few people know what he looks like anyway.

If that's what they had planned to do, I would have been fine with the idea. But actually grafting Connor's skin onto Marcus' endoskeleton? No thanks.

Thrall · May 27 2009, 05:14 AM

The original ending sounds stupid. They use dogs to spot Terminators. That right there puts a kink in things.

nx1701g · May 27 2009, 05:22 AM

That isn't entirely the original ending. McG revealed what the actual final scenes would have been:

After Connor's skin was grafted onto Marcus' endoskeleton he would open his eyes and look at everyone in the room. He would have then killed everyone in attendance in the operating theatre. The final scenes were the camera zooming in on Connor/Marcus' face and the eyes flashing red.

Skywalker · May 27 2009, 05:35 AM

nx1701g wrote:

That isn't entirely the original ending. McG revealed what the actual final scenes would have been:

After Connor's skin was grafted onto Marcus' endoskeleton he would open his eyes and look at everyone in the room. He would have then killed everyone in attendance in the operating theatre. The final scenes were the camera zooming in on Connor/Marcus' face and the eyes flashing red.

I'm really glad they didn't go that route.

nx1701g · May 27 2009, 07:21 AM

^ I think it could have been interesting, and would have been a more fitting end for the franchise.

Thrall · May 27 2009, 07:22 AM

nx1701g wrote:

^ I think it could have been interesting, and would have been a more fitting end for the franchise.

How? It kind of pisses all over it IMO.

JacksonArcher · May 27 2009, 07:25 AM

I like the idea of Marcus taking over as Conner, but I think the skin grafting idea is a bit farfetched, even for this franchise.

DarKush · May 27 2009, 12:19 PM

I think the original idea would've been a bolder choice and the storyline perhaps would've made more sense and been more satisfying. Even when they went in another direction, they seemed to have kept most of the previous storyline so the new tacked on ending just didn't feel right, particularly when Salvation remained more of Marcus's story than John's.

I definitely think a cyborg leading the resistance would be pretty ironic, interesting and open up some moments of character development/interaction sorely lacking from Salvation. How would his cell respond to him after the transplant? How would he feel? It would be this big secret that they would have to keep I suppose and could add a lot of internal drama, tension, and suspense.

Where it stands now is that John's relationship with his cell hasn't changed. They respect and revere him just like at the beginning of the film. Its a pretty static relationship. He still has to convince others that he's the best leader to follow I suppose, but I don't think that's as interesting as him having to do so while hiding such a big secret. Making him a cyborg adds an element of doubt, of fear, and perhaps even discovery that might have taken the Terminator franchise in a direction that really added something new to the Terminator franchise and made us see what came before in a different light instead of just playing in Cameron's, Hamilton's, and Arnold's sandbox, which isn't that bad since they constructed an awesome sandbox. It's just not that fresh.

Mr Light · May 27 2009, 02:52 PM

I find these rebels doing a heart transplant far-fetched enough as it is, but doing a "Face/Off" on John Connor's body? That sounds even more ridiculous. They just stuck Marcus' super duper pumper heart into Connor. Hopefully in the next movie Connor will be slightly stronger and faster than your aver-age bear.

barnaclelapse · May 27 2009, 05:40 PM

The ending they went with made sense since they were kind of working towards this whole Christ/Marcus metaphor anyway.

nx1701g · May 27 2009, 11:17 PM

Thrall wrote:

nx1701g wrote:

^ I think it could have been interesting, and would have been a more fitting end for the franchise.

How? It kind of pisses all over it IMO.

It would have shown that Skynet always wins, which is sort of what I'm afraid the numbers may mean for the future of the franchise.

Thrall · May 27 2009, 11:39 PM

nx1701g wrote:

Thrall wrote:

nx1701g wrote:

^ I think it could have been interesting, and would have been a more fitting end for the franchise.

How? It kind of pisses all over it IMO.

It would have shown that Skynet always wins, which is sort of what I'm afraid the numbers may mean for the future of the franchise.

But Skynet never wins. Conner always beats it one way or another.

View Poll Results: Which ending should they have used for "Terminator Salvation"?
Marcus Wright has his heart transplanted to save the life of the mortally wounded John Connor.	22	44.90%
John Connor dies and his skin is grafted onto Marcus Wright's body, making him the new John Connor.	14	28.57%
The movie was a worthless piece of shite that never should have been made in the first place.	13	26.53%
Voters: 49. You may not vote on this poll

May 27 2009, 04:27 AM	#1
The Borgified Corpse Admiral Location: Making closing arguments with Jack McCoy & Michael Cutter	"Terminator Salvation" ending POLL (Spoilers) After all of the discussion of the different endings to Terminator Salvation, I thought we should get some numbers attached to this. Personally, the more I think about it, the more I'm convinced the movie was shite anyway. I'm not sure either ending satisfies me. What did you folks think? __________________ Kegg: "You're a Trekkie. The capacity to quibble over the minutiae of space opera films is your birthright."

May 27 2009, 04:33 AM	#2
T'Baio Admiral Location: Ontario, Canada	Re: "Terminator Salvation" ending POLL (Spoilers) They should have stuck with their original idea of grafting Connor's skin onto Marcus' endoskeleton. That was interesting in the way it turns the mythos' theme on its head. __________________ Posthuman: A Science Fiction Web Series at www.sfntv.com and www.whatisameme.com, on the TrekBBS, and on the social network.

May 27 2009, 04:35 AM	#3
trampledamage Clone Location: trampledamage is doing her homework	Re: "Terminator Salvation" ending POLL (Spoilers) I agree. Just think where they could have gone with the idea of the leader of the Resistance being a machine. Although I don't think they should have grafted Connor's skin because that would mean Christian Bale playing him in the next movie. I think they should have just let it be Marcus taking on the name of Connor - since very few people know what he looks like anyway. __________________ Space is disease and danger wrapped in darkness and silence - Dr. McCoy And he says that like it's a bad thing...

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May 27 2009, 05:22 AM	#6
nx1701g Admiral Location: Aboard the Executor...	Re: "Terminator Salvation" ending POLL (Spoilers) That isn't entirely the original ending. McG revealed what the actual final scenes would have been: After Connor's skin was grafted onto Marcus' endoskeleton he would open his eyes and look at everyone in the room. He would have then killed everyone in attendance in the operating theatre. The final scenes were the camera zooming in on Connor/Marcus' face and the eyes flashing red. __________________ Star Trek: The Continuing Voyages RPG - Recruiting New Players! The Terminator Chronicles - The Sarah Connor Chronicles Continue! Not Dead Yet.

May 27 2009, 07:21 AM	#8
nx1701g Admiral Location: Aboard the Executor...	Re: "Terminator Salvation" ending POLL (Spoilers) ^ I think it could have been interesting, and would have been a more fitting end for the franchise. __________________ Star Trek: The Continuing Voyages RPG - Recruiting New Players! The Terminator Chronicles - The Sarah Connor Chronicles Continue! Not Dead Yet.

May 27 2009, 07:25 AM	#10
JacksonArcher Vice Admiral	Re: "Terminator Salvation" ending POLL (Spoilers) I like the idea of Marcus taking over as Conner, but I think the skin grafting idea is a bit farfetched, even for this franchise. __________________ Bane: "When Gotham is ashes... you have my permission to die." - The Dark Knight Rises

May 27 2009, 12:19 PM	#11
DarKush Rear Admiral	Re: "Terminator Salvation" ending POLL (Spoilers) I think the original idea would've been a bolder choice and the storyline perhaps would've made more sense and been more satisfying. Even when they went in another direction, they seemed to have kept most of the previous storyline so the new tacked on ending just didn't feel right, particularly when Salvation remained more of Marcus's story than John's. I definitely think a cyborg leading the resistance would be pretty ironic, interesting and open up some moments of character development/interaction sorely lacking from Salvation. How would his cell respond to him after the transplant? How would he feel? It would be this big secret that they would have to keep I suppose and could add a lot of internal drama, tension, and suspense. Where it stands now is that John's relationship with his cell hasn't changed. They respect and revere him just like at the beginning of the film. Its a pretty static relationship. He still has to convince others that he's the best leader to follow I suppose, but I don't think that's as interesting as him having to do so while hiding such a big secret. Making him a cyborg adds an element of doubt, of fear, and perhaps even discovery that might have taken the Terminator franchise in a direction that really added something new to the Terminator franchise and made us see what came before in a different light instead of just playing in Cameron's, Hamilton's, and Arnold's sandbox, which isn't that bad since they constructed an awesome sandbox. It's just not that fresh.

May 27 2009, 02:52 PM	#12
Mr Light Admiral Location: Pennsylvania	Re: "Terminator Salvation" ending POLL (Spoilers) I find these rebels doing a heart transplant far-fetched enough as it is, but doing a "Face/Off" on John Connor's body? That sounds even more ridiculous. They just stuck Marcus' super duper pumper heart into Connor. Hopefully in the next movie Connor will be slightly stronger and faster than your aver-age bear. __________________

May 27 2009, 05:40 PM	#13
barnaclelapse Commodore Location: Waverly, VA.	Re: "Terminator Salvation" ending POLL (Spoilers) The ending they went with made sense since they were kind of working towards this whole Christ/Marcus metaphor anyway. __________________ http://drunkmonkeys.onimpression.com/ www.mpjournal.com Tumblr: http://barnaclelapse.tumblr.com Word Press: http://gabrielricard.wordpress.com