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Old June 3 2009, 11:15 PM   #46
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His full name is Arthur Conan Doyle Spock.

Duh.
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Old June 5 2009, 11:11 PM   #47
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I find the Icelandic (Scandinavian?) tradition appealing, where surnames are either father's son, or mother's daughter.
That's a general, ages-old Germanic thing, but it has gone out of fashion everywhere else besides Iceland after the 19th century - at which time even the most barbaric corners of the Nordic nations began to have universal taxation and thus also universal records which more or less required the invention of surnames. Sometimes, the last iteration of patronymics would get turned into a surname for record-keeping purposes, so Hansson or Jensen would become a "true" surname, now to be carried by all the following generations even if the father was named Olaf or Sven or something else than Hans or Jens.

Whether Vulcans would be worried about things like tax records, or whether they'd be perfectly happy about having six hundred guys with identical names populating the planet at any given time, is unknown. We get lots of coexisting T'Pels in Star Trek, but we never learn if they have a distinguishing element to their names. They might just as well live without, there never being anything unclear about who was the wife of whom. (Or if there was, there'd be an ancient ritual involving lots of violence that would solve the problem to logical satisfaction.)

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Old June 6 2009, 12:01 AM   #48
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For all we know, all Vulcans receive a unique identification number at birth which can then be used to governmental and services purposes. Vulcans don't strike me as the type to complain that bureaucracy 'depersonalizes' them.

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Old June 6 2009, 10:12 AM   #49
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For all we know, all Vulcans receive a unique identification number at birth which can then be used to governmental and services purposes. Vulcans don't strike me as the type to complain that bureaucracy 'depersonalizes' them.

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I don't know, they seem to place a lot of importance on that Bill of Rights of theirs, which guaratees the "fundamental personal freedoms of every Vulcan citizen". Still, I like the idea of a designated number or some similar convention to aid identification. It reminds me of the Nasats, and their lengthy "designations", as revealed in "Balance of Nature". So, there may be many P8 Blues but only one P8BlueTS27Q6. Vulcans may well have something similar, but given the importance placed on family lineage in their culture, it would be rather odd for their naming conventions to disregard their ancestors. As for the "s...k" idea, I'm certain the "Vulcan's Noun" books established Sarek/Spock's family as part of Surak's ancestral house. Perhaps members of this extended clan tend to take s...k names in honour of Surak, but this means nothing for wider Vulcan naming conventions.
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Old June 6 2009, 05:55 PM   #50
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don't you Americans have national insurance numbers or something similar for tax records?

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Old June 6 2009, 06:28 PM   #51
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it's from a novel. it's also wrong. everyone knows Spock's first name is Carl.
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And here I was thinking his Mom named him after Sagan...
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Old June 6 2009, 06:49 PM   #52
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don't you Americans have national insurance numbers or something similar for tax records?
National insurance? In America? If only. We do have Social Security numbers, though.
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Old June 7 2009, 04:30 AM   #53
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Actually, all Sikhs have three names, just that not every Sikh uses the surname. Every Sikh male's second name is Singh, and Kaur for the women. The given name comes from the Guru Granth. A prayer is said, and the book allowed to fall open. The syllable to which the priest points will be the first syllable of the name. The third name, surname is the family name, but is actually a holdover from the caste system, indicating which caste you belong to, and subcaste.
I was under the impression the whole point was to do away with and forget the caste system.
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Old June 7 2009, 12:40 PM   #54
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Actually, all Sikhs have three names, just that not every Sikh uses the surname. Every Sikh male's second name is Singh, and Kaur for the women. The given name comes from the Guru Granth. A prayer is said, and the book allowed to fall open. The syllable to which the priest points will be the first syllable of the name. The third name, surname is the family name, but is actually a holdover from the caste system, indicating which caste you belong to, and subcaste.
I was under the impression the whole point was to do away with and forget the caste system.
If only! Some things are a little too enduring, and when you have a societal system stretching back 3000 years or more, versus a religion which is only formally 300 years old, then some things are a little harder to tackle than the easy stuff like not killing, stealing or coveting an ass.

You'll find that it's the more religious minded Sikhs who drop the third name, not through a lack of caste sensibility. All that said, the lines are blurring somewhat. The Sikh community isn't as caste conscious as the Hindu majority, and intercaste marriages do occur. The evolution is slow, but change is occuring. You're certainly not expected to be Bajoran about it and do the work that your caste predicates. While my parents are of the same caste, neither of them are tailors, in fact many in my father's family are teachers, and while my mother trained as a teacher, her father was career military. I look forward to the day when names are just pleasing sounds.
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Old June 8 2009, 09:07 PM   #55
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Interesting stuff. Thanks for explaining it.
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Old June 8 2009, 09:20 PM   #56
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It would seem that all Vulcan first names are unpronounceable since we never get told any of them. T'Pau, T'Pol, Surak etc. All use only one name. Good thing there's only 10,000 of them. It'll clear up some confusions.

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Old June 8 2009, 11:09 PM   #57
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Ok, for one thing, that's only in the Abramsverse, not the Prime universe. And the whole 10,000 Vulcan's let thing was cleared up in an interview with Orci/Kurtzman, where they said that that number didn't include Vulcans who were off world at the time.
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Old June 8 2009, 11:15 PM   #58
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Ok, for one thing, that's only in the Abramsverse, not the Prime universe. And the whole 10,000 Vulcan's let thing was cleared up in an interview with Orci/Kurtzman, where they said that that number didn't include Vulcans who were off world at the time.
I'm pretty sure xman was joking.
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Old June 8 2009, 11:56 PM   #59
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Geoff Thorne wrote: View Post
His full name is Arthur Conan Doyle Spock.

Duh.
I thought it was Sherlock Holmes Spock.
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Old June 9 2009, 12:02 AM   #60
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middyseafort wrote: View Post
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His full name is Arthur Conan Doyle Spock.

Duh.
I thought it was Sherlock Holmes Spock.
Pah! Everybody knows Sherlock Holmes is a fictional creation, not a real person. Spock on the other hand...
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