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View Poll Results: Grade "Terminator Salvation"
"I'll be back!" (Excellent) 31 16.58%
"Come with me if you want to live." (Above Average) 61 32.62%
"Thank you for explaining." (Average) 49 26.20%
"If we stay this course we are dead! We are all dead!" (Below Average) 26 13.90%
"You are TERMINATED." (Poor) 20 10.70%
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Old May 22 2009, 07:10 AM   #91
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Re: Terminator: Salvation Discuss/Grade <Spoilers>

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IMHO, for future films, it's simple:

There are two routes to go. Make the next film the future war we've all seen before but never in detail. Phased plasma rifles. T-800s. The resistance truly beaten down. Have Skynet have come back from this film with a vengeance, and pushed man to the brink. No choppers, no planes, no subs, none of that stuff. Truly rag-tag tech-com, people living in old storm drains. Give us that, with the end being them winning a significant victory and uncovering intelligence about Skynet's planned time travel machine...
Only problem is, I don't think a movie with just fighting and not much else would make a good second film. We've seen that already, so the next one has to be about something more significant. They have to take the whole story to the next level and not just give us more of the same with a payoff only at the end.
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Old May 22 2009, 07:48 AM   #92
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Re: Terminator: Salvation Discuss/Grade <Spoilers>

My local newspaper reviewer made a comment that John does not recognize the T-800. I am guessing this is a total miss read on the guy's part.

I am seeing it before work tomorrow. GLad to see fan reactions are favorable.
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Old May 22 2009, 07:51 AM   #93
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I'll give my review tomorrow.
So even layman reviews on an Internet message board have teasers now?
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Old May 22 2009, 01:02 PM   #94
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A whole new page of reviews, all leaning positive, and yet still a bunch of negative votes without any commentary to back them up...

Hrm...

Cameron-ites, maybe?

I thought the film was shit, why would I want to waste my time talking about something that sucked so badly? I would rather talk about things I enjoyed!
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Old May 22 2009, 01:03 PM   #95
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Re: Terminator: Salvation Discuss/Grade <Spoilers>

I might write a review if I can find time, I enjoyed writing my Star Trek review, but I don't know if I can get up the desire. The film was disappointingly bad. Not as terrible as T3, but pretty damn bad.
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Old May 22 2009, 03:31 PM   #96
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Re: Terminator: Salvation Discuss/Grade <Spoilers>

I didn't go in with high expectations. My only hope was that it was better than Terminator 3 and Terminator Salvation managed that. The movie was highly entertaining but it didn't have much substance to it.

On a superficial level, this movie reminds me of Star Trek. Solid acting (oddly Anton Yelchin was one of the few I wasn't impressed by in Star Trek but loved him here), great character moments, wonderful references to the franchise, awesome special effects, but the story didn't connect. I loved Arnold's and Linda Hamilton's cameos, but I disappointed that Kate's character was just...there. It's clear to me that a lot of the backbone of the movie was cut out, and like others have said, I hope there's an extended cut that helps flesh out certain elements of the movie. On that level, the movie reminds me a bit of The Incredible Hulk, although I much prefer the latter.

Again, like Star Trek, I hope the sequel has a stronger story and gives more to the supporting cast. Overall, much better than Terminator 3, but it doesn't hold a candle to Terminator 2.
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Old May 22 2009, 03:53 PM   #97
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The movie also did a good job of cementing John Connor as the leader of the resistance. One question I've always asked is... How did he get to be leader of the resistance? What makes him of all people worth following? OK, that's two questions. Well, setting him up as a voice of reassurance and understanding of what these machines are, followed by having him step up in a big way by rescuing hundreds, then finally filling the void left by a wiped out leadership really worked and didn't seem contrived.
I agree with that post 100%. This was arguably the best aspect of the movie. You could also see that Connor's concern for human life in the movie fits in nicely with Kyle's statements in T1, how Connor was the man who taught humanity how to storm the gates of the concentration camps and smash those metal motherf#@$@ to hell, something that we will probably see a lot more of in T5 (hopefully).

It would be nice in the second movie to see the resistance truly beaten down to the point like was said, there are no aircraft etc. One thing to keep in mind is that Skynet after J day didn't just automatically start pumping out terminators, Hks etc. It also had to bide its time and build up its army, therefore it is kinda plausible that resistance is able to still field some hardware here and there due to the fact that Skynet may not yet have enough crap to pound them into dust. Keep in mind, Skynet is waging a world war here, and while the resistance is doing the same, it is trying to stamp out an insurgency which is always hard and difficult to do.

I just hope the movie makes enough money to warrant a sequel. Yeah, I know that there are sequels planned, but how many planned trilogies have we seen go up in smoke because the first one didn't make enough loot? I fear that a lot of bad buzz from the reviews may kill the move. I just hope with a sequel we have a significantly stronger story.
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Old May 22 2009, 04:02 PM   #98
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I just dont understand all the "It lacked a good story stuff". Terminator movies have never been about good stories. They were not much more than horror/sci-fi movies. I think this movie pulled that off. I certainly am happy that the terminators didnt build a female terminator to get John to fall in love with....Now that movie would have sucked...
As much as I love Star Trek...I actually liked this movie better...
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Old May 22 2009, 04:05 PM   #99
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I just dont understand all the "It lacked a good story stuff". Terminator movies have never been about good stories. They were not much more than horror/sci-fi movies. I think this movie pulled that off. I certainly am happy that the terminators didnt build a female terminator to get John to fall in love with....Now that movie would have sucked...
As much as I love Star Trek...I actually liked this movie better...
IMO Star Trek was VASTLY overrated. It was a good movie in that everything about it clicked, but the story was very, very weak. It reminded me a lot of Iron Man, everything clicked and it was a fun ride, but the story and plot were weak.
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Old May 22 2009, 04:30 PM   #100
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Re: Terminator: Salvation Discuss/Grade <Spoilers>

wow, these ratings are all over the place.

I agree with what a lot of people are saying about the Marcus reveal in the trailers. It's too bad.

I know quite a few years have passed but didnt Sarah Conner's voice sound very different? She sounded old.

What's the Marcus TSCC connection that someone mentioned?
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Old May 22 2009, 04:45 PM   #101
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Okay. Saw it last night. Largely lifeless perfomances. Christian Bale phones it in, which is funny considering how passionate he was about not wanting to blow his key scene. Marcus Wright's accent changes from scene to scene. Michael Ironside was pretty underused. Anton Yelchin was the best actor in the film. The highlight of the film was cgi Arnie whose appearance was the best and probably only really good action scene in the film. In general, the cgi work was very impressive. It's not a horrible film, but if pressed for a verdict, I'd say "rental."

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-Anton Yelchin was good as Kyle Reese. His voice really sounded like Edward Furlong's, especially in the beginning.
Haven't seen the movie but I think he'd have done better to sound like Michael Biehn.
In the last scene, he kind of does look and sound like Micahel Biehn.
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Old May 22 2009, 06:14 PM   #102
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Looks like the poll reults here confirm my suspicions of this movie. Glad i stayed away. Did the same thing with Wolverine. And Trek was WAYY overhyped. Seems the movies this month are subpar overall even if Trek was a bit above average.
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Old May 22 2009, 09:34 PM   #103
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Having just seen Salvation, I have to say I enjoyed it. While it may not be epically Awesome(!!!) it is a reasonably entertaining movie that was enjoyable to watch, had some really cool stuff in it, and held my interest a lot more than a certain other sci-fi movie released this month with an actor from this movie in it.

I give it an 8 out of 10.
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Old May 22 2009, 10:21 PM   #104
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wow, these ratings are all over the place.
As I said earlier this is either a movie people love or people hate.

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What's the Marcus TSCC connection that someone mentioned?
Marcus being a Terminator housing the full memories of a living person (Cameron houses Allison Young's full memories).
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Old May 22 2009, 10:24 PM   #105
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Marcus was definitely a ten times more engaging character than John. The John Connor character wasn't bad but you really don't get a good look at this character in this one. You feel his people are following him because he can win (a good enough reason of course) but not because there's any great love for him. Not that they hate him but he doesn't exactly inspire greatness and charisma.
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