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View Poll Results: Grade "Terminator Salvation"
"I'll be back!" (Excellent) 31 16.49%
"Come with me if you want to live." (Above Average) 61 32.45%
"Thank you for explaining." (Average) 50 26.60%
"If we stay this course we are dead! We are all dead!" (Below Average) 26 13.83%
"You are TERMINATED." (Poor) 20 10.64%
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Old May 21 2009, 04:06 PM   #46
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Yeah...to my knowledge more are planned but I am just assuming that in order for them to be greenlit Salvation needs to make some money. I am only afraid that the mixed reviews may scare some people away.
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Old May 21 2009, 04:45 PM   #47
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The Washington Times gave it a good review.
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Old May 21 2009, 05:18 PM   #48
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I'm not allowed to say until tomorrow afternoon due to the NDA I signed. Sorry everyone (description above of why I had to sign an NDA).
You can't even give a thumbs up or down?
I enjoyed it.
Ok NX....its the afternoon now....time for your review!
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Old May 21 2009, 06:51 PM   #49
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You can't even give a thumbs up or down?
I enjoyed it.
Ok NX....its the afternoon now....time for your review!
And you shall have it... Remember this is from the early views I saw and not the theatrical cut. I don't know if anything else was removed as I have not yet gone to see the film in the theatre and don't intend to go until tomorrow.

So what did I think of Terminator Salvation? That's a pretty good question. When I go into a Terminator film I'm not exactly expecting to be watching Shakespeare, but I do want to be entertained. Did McG meet that goal? Yes I was suitably entertained, but that doesn't mean that the movie didn't have some faults.

I've wanted a Future War film pretty much since I first saw The Terminator and the small peek at the battles in T2. TSCC cemented that with their low budget battles in the future, but the final scenes in T3 told me that I knew I wanted to see the war. This is still very early in the war but they did a good job at building a world beyond imagination that was frightening. Still there were some plot devices that made me roll my eyes. How exactly could kids set such elaborate traps? How exactly did the Jeep survive and still work (yes Marcus did some work to it but it should have been fried)? These were minor though and the homages were fun.

My biggest problem though was not the fault of McG or pretty much anyone, it was a problem with the marketing personnel for the film. It should NEVER have been revealed that Marcus was a terminator before the film was released. I like to play detective when I'm watching a film and the mystery around Marcus Wright is too easily answered when they tell you basically right in the beginning that Marcus is a terminator. It cut all the resonance that the scenes, specifically the mine detonation, would have had. They should have done what T2 did where you were supposed to keep guessing who was the good guy and who was the bad guy. Plus the big, you were supposed to get Connor here, reveal wasn't exactly a surprise. At least they kept the TSCC connection to Marcus.

They needed to give some of the cast more to do though. For many it reminded me of the Natalie Portman in Star Wars Episode Three syndrome, she was there but really didn't know why she was there. I have to wonder if they had kept Claire Danes as Kate Brewster/Connor if they would have given her more to do than what they did. She didn't really remind me much of Sarah Connor (like John claimed in T3). For once too I want Michael Ironside to play a character that I like. I really liked SeaQuest 2032, but I'm tired of Ironside basically playing shells of his former characters. At least he has military characters down pretty well.

The final battle didn't evoke the same feelings for me as it should have though. When I saw it promoed I thought it looked like just a rip off of the final battles in The Terminator and Terminator 2, but that was to be expected a bit. I have a recommendation though: can we avoid the molten steel bits in future films? It's starting to become cliche in Terminator.

But, did I enjoy the film? I would say yes, but I'm biased (which shows in my excellent views because I saw what I wanted to see: a lot of explosions and a bleak future). It had its flaws, but it was supposed to be a popcorn flick and not a thought provoking film (which it could have been had it not been revealed so early that Marcus was a machine - anyone wanting to see how I would have handled this the fanfic in the signature below explores this theme as I would have).

Like I said though my review is from the cut I saw which may not end up being the theatrical cut (I was told there were still some edits that they may do). After I rewatch it I'll post expanded thoughts.
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Old May 21 2009, 06:59 PM   #50
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That movie was not good. Some of the action scenes were decent, and the Ahnuld thing was pretty cool but that's it.

It all felt very B movie to me. It felt cheap, despite the huge budget. The Sony Vaio product placement was far more painful than Nokia in Star Trek. The ending sucked. The story logic was bordering on nonexistent. The logistics of the future war didn't seem very consistent with what we had seen before. I love Michael Ironside, but everything about 'command' felt off. I wasn't too keen on the fishy terminators that felt like they were ripped straight out of The Matrix and shoved underwater, either. And what was up with the resistance having such a good air force? I mean, they have shiny A-10s, endless piles of choppers, cargo planes... the resistance having so much as a runway to have the planes take off seems to strain credibility. I might be overly nitpicking here because the movie wasn't that interesting.

I don't think I've seen anything by this McG character previously, at least not knowingly, so I went in with an open mind on that front, and generally I thought the trailers looked pretty good, but the movie just didn't work, and I think McG's reputation is looking pretty well earned.

I voted Below Average but I'm starting to wish I could take it back and just vote Terrible.
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Old May 21 2009, 07:03 PM   #51
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And what was up with the resistance having such a good air force? I mean, they have shiny A-10s, endless piles of choppers, cargo planes... the resistance having so much as a runway to have the planes take off seems to strain credibility.
Just wanted to say that comes from the comic books and remember this is still early in the war.
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Old May 21 2009, 07:06 PM   #52
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And what was up with the resistance having such a good air force? I mean, they have shiny A-10s, endless piles of choppers, cargo planes... the resistance having so much as a runway to have the planes take off seems to strain credibility. I might be overly nitpicking here because the movie wasn't that interesting.
I think it's perfectly believable that they'd still have a lot of that stuff early in the war.
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Old May 21 2009, 07:08 PM   #53
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I hope they make a sequel to continue the series, but after this movie, I really am afraid that Terminator may in fact be terminated. What a horrible week for the fans, TSCC gets canceled and Salvation is just meh.....yikes
A sequel is very likely to happen. McG has already said they were working on story ideas.




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Old May 21 2009, 07:17 PM   #54
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I hope they make a sequel to continue the series, but after this movie, I really am afraid that Terminator may in fact be terminated. What a horrible week for the fans, TSCC gets canceled and Salvation is just meh.....yikes
A sequel is very likely to happen. McG has already said they were working on story ideas.




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I know that that idea is being floated...but if so it is the WORST idea for a terminator movie I have ever heard. I won't be checking that film out as it sounds like a bad fanfnic.
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Old May 21 2009, 07:24 PM   #55
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I have a question for Frontier. But anyone else who has seen the film can answer as well.

You were concerned from the soundtrack that Danny Elfman did not use the Terminator theme enough or at all. How much is it used in the actual film?
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Old May 21 2009, 07:27 PM   #56
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And what was up with the resistance having such a good air force? I mean, they have shiny A-10s, endless piles of choppers, cargo planes... the resistance having so much as a runway to have the planes take off seems to strain credibility.
Just wanted to say that comes from the comic books and remember this is still early in the war.
What comics? I know it's all geeks here, but I don't think comics are relevant when it comes to a big movie franchise. I mean, I don't even think 'what happened in the comics' is all that important in an actual comic book movie, let alone some comic spinoff of a movie franchise.


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And what was up with the resistance having such a good air force? I mean, they have shiny A-10s, endless piles of choppers, cargo planes... the resistance having so much as a runway to have the planes take off seems to strain credibility. I might be overly nitpicking here because the movie wasn't that interesting.
I think it's perfectly believable that they'd still have a lot of that stuff early in the war.
Was it really that early in the war, 2018? Is my timeline screwed up? Wasn't this like 15 years after judgment day? I always got the impression that the resistance was a little more like what Kyle was up to in the beginning of the movie, maybe minus the ACME roadrunner hunting kit he borrowed from Wile E. Coyote.

I thought humanity was on the verge of winning because John Connor was a superior leader, not because the terminators failed to destroy the infrastructure required to maintain a viable air force in the initial surprise holocaust. I just didn't get it. Why the hell did anyone care that John Connor told them not to attack on the radio? It's not like he supplied any logic. What has he done to develop a worldwide cult that follows his every suggestion? All I saw him do up until that point was survive a couple of helicopter crashes. Considering I usually find Christian Bale to be pretty awesome, John Connor, soon to be leader of the human resistance was pretty lame.
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I know that that idea is being floated...but if so it is the WORST idea for a terminator movie I have ever heard. I won't be checking that film out as it sounds like a bad fanfnic.
Agreed! I had read that before today. My guy instinct says even if they are toying with the idea now it will not make it to the screen. Also why give it away now?
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Old May 21 2009, 07:47 PM   #58
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My review is right here...

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Old May 21 2009, 07:49 PM   #59
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Am I the only Terminator fan who was never really interested in seeing a Future War movie to begin with? The little flashbacks in the previous movies were cool and all, but I wasn't dying to see two hours of people running around a dreary, desolate landscape getting shot at by Terminators. lol
Like others, I wanted to see more of the future when I was a kid. Back in 84, it was shocking to see people living in such a desolate land battling hulking machines.

Now, it's old hat. Been done to death. I simply could care less.

I can't help but feel the glimpses of the future we saw in SCC will blow away this film in nearly every way.
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I know that that idea is being floated...but if so it is the WORST idea for a terminator movie I have ever heard. I won't be checking that film out as it sounds like a bad fanfnic.
Agreed! I had read that before today. My guy instinct says even if they are toying with the idea now it will not make it to the screen. Also why give it away now?
Tru...although honestly, now that I have seen the movie I do think that the controversial ending that was leaked would have been a better ending to the movie. So you never know. The movie did kinda setup the fact that Connor was more of a symbol than anything else and symbols are needed if you are to get through a tough fight.

Why was the movie so heavily edited?!?! There were at least 3 scenes off the top of my head that were featured in the previews that did not even show up in the movie......I think that if they had showed the extra 40 mins of footage that they cut out we would have gotten a much more fleshed out story.
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