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View Poll Results: Grade "Terminator Salvation"
"I'll be back!" (Excellent) 31 16.58%
"Come with me if you want to live." (Above Average) 61 32.62%
"Thank you for explaining." (Average) 49 26.20%
"If we stay this course we are dead! We are all dead!" (Below Average) 26 13.90%
"You are TERMINATED." (Poor) 20 10.70%
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Old May 24 2009, 02:40 PM   #166
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Re: Terminator: Salvation Discuss/Grade <Spoilers>

Well, I saw it yesterday.

About the best thing I can say for it is that it was better than the third movie.

No--I can think of other good things to say. Visually, it was very stylish, and featured some interesting action sequences.

But overall, it was below average, and far below the level of the first two films. The acting was adequate at best, the story was thin, the script was poor, and the editing choppy. I agree with the reviewer who said it reminded him of a video game.

Typical mediocre Hollywood action spectacle: loud, flashy, stupid, empty, forgettable.
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Old May 24 2009, 04:20 PM   #167
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Moon's character following her instinct regarding Marcus...very human and soulful in my opinion...she could have just said "he's a machine KILL HIM!!!". The whole way Marcus was written, it didn't seem very predictable to me...and it was certainly a twist for a Terminator film.
I admit, this is what I expected. I was (plesantly) surprised to learn this was not the case.
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Old May 24 2009, 04:54 PM   #168
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Which they decide to turn off right at the proper moment to reveal themselves? How does a walking machine that is presumably many thousands of tons step stealthily?
How should I know? And more importantly: Why should I care?

It's Science Fiction afterall.
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Old May 24 2009, 05:32 PM   #169
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Re: Terminator: Salvation Discuss/Grade <Spoilers>

Yes, it's science fiction. So writers should be able to violate any internal consistencies for any reason at any time. Now that's good writing.
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Old May 24 2009, 06:04 PM   #170
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Maybe they use some sonic generator that cancels out the noise they're making...

But again, I don't frakkin' care!
Just like I'd never think about how the T-1000 got through the time-machine in T2.

I don't watch this stuff to be educated.

They sneak up on them, the action starts. That's all that matters.
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Old May 24 2009, 07:02 PM   #171
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Maybe they use some sonic generator that cancels out the noise they're making...

But again, I don't frakkin' care!
Just like I'd never think about how the T-1000 got through the time-machine in T2.

I don't watch this stuff to be educated.

They sneak up on them, the action starts. That's all that matters.
Ayelbourne gets it.

Any movie can be picked apart, so why bother? There's not ONE movie I can think of that doesn't have some kind of logic flaw in the plot. If that's all one goes to the movies for the why go at all?
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Old May 24 2009, 07:13 PM   #172
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No, you guys are right.

Awesome writing.
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Old May 24 2009, 07:18 PM   #173
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I think the saddest thing is that it should've been easy to make a great Terminator 4 flick. There are so many possibilities to pursue with this storyline.
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Old May 24 2009, 08:31 PM   #174
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I think the saddest thing is that it should've been easy to make a great Terminator 4 flick. There are so many possibilities to pursue with this storyline.
Can you actually explain that? Its an easy thing to say but does not mean anything. Other than "I should have been blown away!!!"

I think making a great Terminator 4 or any others is going to be very hard. We know too much about what is supposed to happen. There is always going to be a certain amount of - just filling in the blanks.
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Old May 24 2009, 09:09 PM   #175
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How the fuck did an H-K with jet propulsion and a Harvester robot the size of a small building sneak up on them at the convenience store!?! Especially when as soon as they're on screen, the theater is rumbling with the amount of noise they make?
Stealth mode?

Tippy-toe?
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Old May 24 2009, 09:18 PM   #176
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It started off as pretty much an average, mostly forgettable, 80s noir sci-fi/action flick.
You might want to rethink that one.

You think they financed an $102 million sequel...the most expensive movie ever made at the time...to an average, mostly forgettable film?
In checking...

T1 cost about $7m to make and it grossed $71m worldwide. So certainly a profitable film. But it did take them (Cameron, specificly) seven years to make the sequel.

And what I meant by that was is that it's a movie that without the sequels would blend in with all of the 80s "action noir" flicks which have someone fighting some unstoppable force. Other than obvious story differences, at its core is there any difference between "The Hidden", "The Thing" and "The Terminator"? Hell all of them have them same TITLE format!

Were it not for T2, T1 would just be another part of the crowd.

(Granted, T1 made a lot more money than any of those.)

T1's themes certainly are bit deeper and Cameron's talents obviously are greater, but T1 is really just another 80s "action noir" flick. The Cream of the Crop of them, but I dare say it owes it status in popular culture to T2. Hell, I didn't even watch T1 until AFTER I watched T2!
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Old May 24 2009, 09:29 PM   #177
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How the fuck did an H-K with jet propulsion and a Harvester robot the size of a small building sneak up on them at the convenience store!?! Especially when as soon as they're on screen, the theater is rumbling with the amount of noise they make?

THANK YOU!!!!

I've been ripped apart on another board for stating exactly the same thing.

This movie had a REALLY weak- if non-existent script. Honestly, if it weren't for the "Terminator" name attached to it, this script could have been a Sci-Fi Pictures original project called "Robot Rebellion".

Also, the old adage of "show, don't tell" applies-- never once was John Connor SHOWN to be a great leader. We were told that he was but never once did he actually lead.
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Old May 24 2009, 09:35 PM   #178
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Also, the old adage of "show, don't tell" applies-- never once was John Connor SHOWN to be a great leader. We were told that he was but never once did he actually lead.
That's because he isn't this great leader yet.
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Old May 24 2009, 09:50 PM   #179
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Re: Terminator: Salvation Discuss/Grade <Spoilers>

In my Above Thread review I mention some of the odd editing moments in this movie. Anyone else notice them?

The one that stuck out most to me comes some-time after Marcus lets Moon (who has perfectly white teeth for someone living in a post-apocalyptic world) out of the wires. They settle down to camp for the night and it's raining. Marcus walks off to... take a leak or something, and Moon is standing there and she takes her jacket off, she's massaging her shoulder and then there's like an odd cut or something and suddenly she's calling for Marcus, it has stopped raining and she's surrounded by men who want to... be mildly rude to her.

It was very jarring to me. There were one or two other scenes where it seemed like there was an odd editing choice that sort of made the scene disjointed. Another one, that wasn't as bad, was when Kyle Reese is in his cell with the gas pumping in and then the next time we see him, suddenly he's strapped to some table.

I really think this movie was edited with a monkey wielding a machete.

And what happened to the image of Helena Carter (lovely woman who was oddly very hot in a balded sickly state in the begining of the movie. She made think of something like the "Newcomers" from Alien Nation or something like that) with half her skull burned off? Was an entire plot line removed?
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The T-X uploaded the information into Skynet, or so behind the scenes comments go.
Even so, I thought that John Connor kept that half of his parentage very secret. And if Skynet knew, you'd think that they would realize that now their best chance for successfully eliminating John Connor would be to simply never build a time machine.

Not necessarily.

He obviously was very ellusive and put up a very good and formidable resistance. The machines must -- at some point -- come to the realization that time travel (after it's already been discovered/invented) would be the fastest and easiest way to kill him by killing his mother before he is born.
Yes, but if Skynet knows that Kyle Reese is John Connor's father, then time travel is the only logical conclusion (or else Reese looks VERY young for his age). Therefore, rather than sending robots into the past to kill Sarah Connor, they could much more easily prevent John Connor's existence by simply never inventing the means that allowed Kyle Reese to impregnate Sarah Connor in the first place.
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