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Old May 14 2009, 09:34 PM   #106
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Re: Was the Temporal Integrity Commission on vacation?

Remember the many episodes where the Temporal Police came in and cleaned up the mess in the wake of Voyager? Heck, they even tell Janeway that they see her and the ship way too much.

Where were they?

I think that parallel universes come into existence not with every minor set of decisions but when something rather large scale happens. So, when things happened in the movie to set off a very large scale change, a new universe emerged. If it is something small... say a la Year of Hell, then the Temporal Police are there because it changes events in the timeline of that universe as opposed to creating a new one.

So, if it just creates a new universe, the old is still there behaving as it always has been, which means there is no need for help.

That's my take anyway.
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Old May 15 2009, 12:35 AM   #107
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Re: Was the Temporal Integrity Commission on vacation?

It's a little known fact that in the year 2236 of the prime timeline, the man who would go on to found the Temporal Commission was born. His name? Alexander Xavier Robau.
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Old May 15 2009, 12:57 AM   #108
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Re: Was the Temporal Integrity Commission on vacation?

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It's a little known fact that in the year 2236 of the prime timeline, the man who would go on to found the Temporal Commission was born. His name? Alexander Xavier Robau.
Um... No. The Temporal Integrity Commission simply isn't badass; Robau couldn't have founded it.

He could have founded the Temporal Badassness Commission though. But that wouldn't be this commission, or Daniels wouldn't be in it.
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Old May 15 2009, 01:00 AM   #109
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Re: Was the Temporal Integrity Commission on vacation?

Nero went through a blackhole and didn't use Temporal technology or anything to do with chronotons. To the Temporal Headquarters in the future nothing showed up because their sensors are tuned to chronotons and temporal technology not tuned into detecting blackholes.

As far as they are concerned their history books simply say Romulus was destroyed and Spock went missing, their timeline is unaffected and they detect nothing, however Spock and Nero created a new timeline and to the temporal headquarters in that timeline everything is how it should be. To the new timeline Temporal Headquarters they don't detect no time travel either cos Nero comes through a blackhole, so to their history the Kelvin is destroyed and always has been, there's nothing to rectify because it's a new timeline and everything that happens in it is how it should be.
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Old May 15 2009, 01:03 AM   #110
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They're in the same place they were when Janeway came back and changed decades of history to get her crew home a little earlier in Endgame.
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Old May 15 2009, 01:52 AM   #111
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It's a little known fact that in the year 2236 of the prime timeline, the man who would go on to found the Temporal Commission was born. His name? Alexander Xavier Robau.
Um... No. The Temporal Integrity Commission simply isn't badass; Robau couldn't have founded it.

He could have founded the Temporal Badassness Commission though. But that wouldn't be this commission, or Daniels wouldn't be in it.
No, this guy would have been Richard Robau's son, he's only half badass. But That Was A Different Time.
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Old May 15 2009, 02:12 AM   #112
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No, this guy would have been Richard Robau's son, he's only half badass. But That Was A Different Time.
Come on, he isn't even bald, nor is he Mexican. And he couldn't fight Archer. So I'd say he's .001 badass.
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Old May 15 2009, 08:24 AM   #113
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Because we all want to believe Enterprise never happened..
Well, in the timeline of this new movie, "Enterprise" is the only series that is entirely unchanged and is still a part of their history.
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Old May 15 2009, 09:15 AM   #114
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"See that, right there? Fuck it."

Or

"Jonathan look, somebody has gone over two hundred years in the past to destroy Vulcan and cripple the Federa... THAT DOG'S GOT A PUFFY TAIL!!! HERE PUFF, HERE PUFF!!"
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Old May 15 2009, 09:19 AM   #115
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Because we all want to believe Enterprise never happened..
Well, in the timeline of this new movie, "Enterprise" is the only series that is entirely unchanged and is still a part of their history.
If so, where was this "Temporal Integrity Commission"?

Nope. Enterprise was as discarded as everything else.
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Old May 15 2009, 10:03 AM   #116
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Because we all want to believe Enterprise never happened..
Well, in the timeline of this new movie, "Enterprise" is the only series that is entirely unchanged and is still a part of their history.
If so, where was this "Temporal Integrity Commission"?

Nope. Enterprise was as discarded as everything else.
The Temporal Integrity Commission is already taking active steps to repair Nero's meddling. Even now new recruit Jonathan Archer is leaping through time, setting right what once went wrong...each time hoping the next leap is the leap to where his damn beagle is.
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Old May 15 2009, 10:14 AM   #117
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Re: Was the Temporal Integrity Commission on vacation?

Cleaning up the timeline is too easy (and lazy) a solution, and opens up a huuuuuge can of worms. Where were the time police when the Borg attacked the Federation? Why can't we slingshot around the sun and stop the Dominion War? Let's stop "Threshold" while we're at it! That wasn't supposed to happen, right?
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Old May 15 2009, 10:24 AM   #118
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Cleaning up the timeline is too easy (and lazy) a solution, and opens up a huuuuuge can of worms. Where were the time police when the Borg attacked the Federation? Why can't we slingshot around the sun and stop the Dominion War? Let's stop "Threshold" while we're at it! That wasn't supposed to happen, right?
Exactly. if there was always someone who could fix crap where would that leave alot of the plotlines even in the original timeline.

STOP put those whales back you just broke the timeline!
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Old May 15 2009, 11:29 AM   #119
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What do you mean on vacation?

Its obvious the timecop and timeship are not on vacations. What we see in Abrams's Trek and future movie of his is an alternate version of reality caused by Nero incursion into the past. All this will be completely corrected by the time agents, thus the prime timeline restored, after Abrams era.
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Old May 15 2009, 11:49 AM   #120
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Well, in the timeline of this new movie, "Enterprise" is the only series that is entirely unchanged and is still a part of their history.
If so, where was this "Temporal Integrity Commission"?

Nope. Enterprise was as discarded as everything else.
On what are you basing that assertion?

"Enterprise" took place in the 2150s. "Star Trek XI" takes place in the 2250s. The "Temporal Integrity Commission" is from the 31st Century. Who's to say that Daniels and the other "time cops" are not actually from the future depicted in this new movie, and they view everything that Nero did as a part of their own history?

Captain Braxton and his 29th Century Starfleet timeships on "Voyager" could be from an entirely different future, as were the Sphere-builders who manipulated the Xindi, and FutureGuy who manipulated the Suliban, and many other factions, each working to preserve their own timeline, not the "correct" timeline.

Daniels and Braxton and FutureGuy and others were all working to preserve their own pasts, but they are not all necessarily from the same future.

What about the Vorgons in "Captain's Holiday," or Captain Kirk in "Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home"? They were looking out for their own interests as well. That's what all time travelers do. Some just call themselves "time police" so they feel justified messing around with the timeline, but their goal is always selfish.
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