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Old May 9 2009, 06:55 AM   #46
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Re: Paging Captain Braxton of the Federation Timeship Relativity...

I'm okay without Starfleet's "timecops," mostly 'cause they had to recast Captain Braxton, thus makin' him his own temporal anomaly.
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Old May 9 2009, 06:57 AM   #47
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Re: Paging Captain Braxton of the Federation Timeship Relativity...

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I'm okay without Starfleet's "timecops," mostly 'cause they had to recast Captain Braxton, thus makin' him his own temporal anomaly.
Ah but Voyager also clarified that as Captain Braxton had been reintegrated himself (Futures End Braxton was different from Relativity Braxton).

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Old May 9 2009, 01:17 PM   #48
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Re: Paging Captain Braxton of the Federation Timeship Relativity...

The destruction of Vulcan might have huge, positive consequences for the Federation in the far future. As such, the new timeline might be infinitely more agreeable then the one it replaced. That would be enough reason for the timecops not to interfere, since they're not actually trying to repair the timeline -- they'll always try to shift it in their parties (in this case the Federation)'s favor.
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Old May 9 2009, 01:18 PM   #49
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Re: Paging Captain Braxton of the Federation Timeship Relativity...

Isn't there already a long thread on this subject around here ?
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Old May 9 2009, 01:19 PM   #50
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Re: Paging Captain Braxton of the Federation Timeship Relativity...

i'm getting very much on the side of no easy time-travel, because i'm sure these writers have the ability to solve problems more conventionally and produce more intresting and insightful results as a consequence of that process.
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Old May 9 2009, 01:23 PM   #51
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Re: Paging Captain Braxton of the Federation Timeship Relativity...

Can Braxton wait until after Abramsverse DS9 wraps up in about 30 years' time and then hit the big ol' reset button?
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Old May 12 2009, 03:35 AM   #52
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so how come the relativity didn't see fit to stop this temporal incursion from happening? it clearly is not the timeline that would have lead to it's creation because if so, they wouldn't have bothered to correct the timeline in voyager as it would just be wiped completely anyway. it's not like it's beyond their reach anyway.
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Old May 12 2009, 04:52 AM   #53
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We will just have to wait and find out. Perhaps the new timeline is somehow needed, and 29th century Starfleet (of the original) had a reason to leave it alone...besides, the original timeline wasn't affected, so why would the investigators have a problem with the new one?
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Old May 12 2009, 05:00 AM   #54
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Ugh... The less heard about the USS Relativity and such organizations, the better.

(One could make that argument for *every* single time travel use in Trek canon)
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Old May 12 2009, 05:01 AM   #55
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Oh, gawd, temporal mechanics gives me a headache.
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Old May 12 2009, 05:03 AM   #56
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Ummmm...wow. This movie is trying very hard to help get STAR TREK fans layed...don't ruin it with these kinds of posts...please...

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Old May 12 2009, 05:07 AM   #57
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roguephoenix wrote: View Post
so how come the relativity didn't see fit to stop this temporal incursion from happening? it clearly is not the timeline that would have lead to it's creation because if so, they wouldn't have bothered to correct the timeline in voyager as it would just be wiped completely anyway. it's not like it's beyond their reach anyway.

I knew it was only a matter of time before someone brought this up. I'm honestly surprised it took this long.

Simple answer was the whole Relativity time police crap was one of the lamest plot threads ever.
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Old May 12 2009, 05:08 AM   #58
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I loved Relativity and getting to see Seven in a science uniform. But temporal mechanics is not for the feint of heart.
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Old May 12 2009, 05:20 AM   #59
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We will just have to wait and find out. Perhaps the new timeline is somehow needed, and 29th century Starfleet (of the original) had a reason to leave it alone...besides, the original timeline wasn't affected, so why would the investigators have a problem with the new one?
well what lead to the creation of the relativity is tied to what happened in the previous timeline. it has to be or else they would not be too concerned with what happened in that time line, i.e. trying to fix the mishaps that where happening on voyager. if that timeline was not really necessary, they wouldn't have wasted their time (pun intended) trying to fix the problem there as that time line would have become a moot point anyway as it would never come to pass. but since they did put effort into fixing problems there, means that's the timeline that would lead to it's creation. however, the events of the movie would make it difficult for events to happen again as they did before hence making the voyager era irrelevant.

though on second thought, since they do live outside normal space-time, the fact that the events in the movie happened, wasn't something that was really detrimental. it could in fact accelerate or improve the future timeline which is why they left it alone...

ah why do i think about this stuff???? >_<
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Old May 12 2009, 05:20 AM   #60
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I don't think the Relativity saw the need to correct anything because the blackhole that Nero and Spock went through sent them not just into the past but into the past of a different timeline.

Here's a theory of mine from another thread:

Anything that can happen does happen in one reality or another. If I'm walking down a street and have to decide whether or not to take a left or a right, in one reality I go right and in another I go left. Different realities account for different decisions we make so there are several possible futures that could emerge from the present.

In this type of theory all futures branch out from a common past. The further we go into the future, the more realities diverge. The further we go into the past, the more realities converge. Prime Trek and New Trek both have ENT in common. If Prime Trek and New Trek have ENT in common, then ENT has at least two possible futures. 1986 has even more possible futures, so the crew in TVH were from one possible version of the 23rd Century while Star Trek (2009) is another version.

Where am I going with this?

I think Star Trek (2009) isn't just a different timeline where things were only changed becasue of Nero, I think it's a different timeline where things after 2233 unfolded differently in general. Chekov's parents have him sooner, the Enterprise is commissioned later, etc. The reason for Chekov's birth being sooner? [His parents] either met sooner or decided to have children sooner. The reason the Enterprise was commissioned later? The ship that would've been commissioned in 2245 was called something else instead and Pike was never in command of that ship or maybe he was and we didn't see it.

If I wanted to take it one step further, I could say that [Trek Prime] is a possible 23rd Century projected from 1966 where there are Eugenics Wars. [...] Star Trek (2009) is a 23rd Century projected from 2009 which was then [disrupted by Nero].
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