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Old May 15 2009, 12:51 AM   #76
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Re: OMFG MASSIVE SPOLIERS: NeoTrek Engine Musings

[Homer] Mmmmm.... alcohol fueled starship....[/Homer]
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Old May 15 2009, 03:17 AM   #77
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^ It's a Plot Drive. Really -- I doubt if TPTB really gave it that much thought...

Only Trek fans would obsess about it. (In a good way, of course. )

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Any "Red Dwarf" fans in here?

We know that this thing was shot in a brewery... soooo...

It's a "Hop Drive." Invented by Holly, of course...
Heh, I figured that the vats were just sewage treatment, especially considering that they were apparently near a water processing area. And considering what's really in them, I don't think that I'm too far off.

(Beer sucks. )
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Old May 15 2009, 05:06 AM   #78
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I thought of it as a multi-cylinder engine. They probably have a dilithium room under it like the one in TOS, forgot the episode.
That's pretty much been my take on the TOS setup for a while now. The dilithium pedastal takes the place of the carburetor.

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Old May 15 2009, 07:35 AM   #79
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So what were all the pipes and tanks for?
Water-storage and getting it from one place to another.

I have to ask again: Where do you think Deuterium is found in?
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Old May 15 2009, 08:06 AM   #80
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I have to ask again: Where do you think Deuterium is found in?
You'd think they'd have extracted the heavy hydrogen from the water before fueling a spaceship, since there's no reason to lug all that extra H2o around if you don't have to.

And why can't the water in those systems be for drinking, restroom facilities and the like? They have to get from somewhere.
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I have to ask again: Where do you think Deuterium is found in?
You'd think they'd have extracted the heavy hydrogen from the water before fueling a spaceship, since there's no reason to lug all that extra H2o around if you don't have to.

And why can't the water in those systems be for drinking, restroom facilities and the like? They have to get from somewhere.
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Old May 15 2009, 09:31 AM   #82
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Old May 15 2009, 10:59 AM   #83
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It still sort of bugs me that Scotty goes to the desperate length of ejecting several reactor components of the warp core just to generate a very large explosion. Wouldn't he just eject the antimatter containers and save a perfectly working reactor?

Unless....

Perhaps newCanon antimatter containment technology isn't so advanced. It might be too dangerous to transport antimatter around a ship, so maybe they build little standalone matter/antimatter reactors that have their supplies of antimatter sealed inside. It'd be like the way current-day nuclear subs have their uranium sealed in their reactors.

So a starship would be powered by several of these reactors, the exact number of which would depend mostly on the ship's power requirements and range -- as well as a variety of safety, availability, and serviceability factors. These little warp reactors and their supporting hardware would be collectively referred to as the warp core. (or maybe now it's "warp corps"?)

I'd like to imagine that at this stage, they know how to use dilithium to store antimatter safely for long periods of time, but they haven't quite figured out how to use it to control a M/AM reaction yet. The M/AM reaction in a newCanon ship would be far less controlled and efficient than it'd be in the dilithium chamber of an oldCanon ship. It'd generate a lot more wasted heat and require much more extensive cooling. Which, naturally, would mean a lot of plumbing. All this excessive heat would be turned to plain old electricity, carried throughout the ship on superconducting cables inside yet more piping.


Man, I hope one of J.J.A.'s writers is paying at least as much attention to this as I am.
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Old May 15 2009, 12:58 PM   #84
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I have to ask again: Where do you think Deuterium is found in?
You'd think they'd have extracted the heavy hydrogen from the water before fueling a spaceship, since there's no reason to lug all that extra H2o around if you don't have to.

And why can't the water in those systems be for drinking, restroom facilities and the like? They have to get from somewhere.
Well, the labels on the pipes clearly state 'Inert Reactant' (we can see this even with the camera moving around).

Perhaps they store as heavy water because it's safer that way, and only extract the necessary heavy hydrogen when needed. The same probably goes for the extraction of the anti-hydrogen.

Spice it up with some technobabble and it would work
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Old May 15 2009, 02:25 PM   #85
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I have to ask again: Where do you think Deuterium is found in?
You'd think they'd have extracted the heavy hydrogen from the water before fueling a spaceship, since there's no reason to lug all that extra H2o around if you don't have to.

And why can't the water in those systems be for drinking, restroom facilities and the like? They have to get from somewhere.
Well, the labels on the pipes clearly state 'Inert Reactant' (we can see this even with the camera moving around).

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Spice it up with some technobabble and it would work
We've seen labels in trek that have UP arrows on lift doors set on THE BRIDGE, so I don't think we can invest too much in the signage, do you?

And when you invoke the word technobabble, shouldn't the phrase preceding its usage be 'dumb it down' rather than 'spice it up'?
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Old May 15 2009, 03:15 PM   #86
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We've seen labels in trek that have UP arrows on lift doors set on THE BRIDGE, so I don't think we can invest too much in the signage, do you?
Umm, where? Or do you mean the generic turbolift signs that have arrows pointing in four directions no matter where the sign?

Anyway STXI seems to confirm that there's plenty of room at the top, above the bridge, so...

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Old May 15 2009, 04:35 PM   #87
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We've seen labels in trek that have UP arrows on lift doors set on THE BRIDGE, so I don't think we can invest too much in the signage, do you?
Umm, where? Or do you mean the generic turbolift signs that have arrows pointing in four directions no matter where the sign?

Anyway STXI seems to confirm that there's plenty of room at the top, above the bridge, so...

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Old May 15 2009, 04:52 PM   #88
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Why can't we just "assume" that even though Scotty said "core" he really just meant "anti-matter pods"? You know, dumb it down for the non-engineering types on the bridge. Wouldn't that simplify things?
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Old May 15 2009, 06:16 PM   #89
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Why can't we just "assume" that even though Scotty said "core" he really just meant "anti-matter pods"? You know, dumb it down for the non-engineering types on the bridge. Wouldn't that simplify things?
I still don't see why the "Core" can't have multiple reaction chambers. I rather liked that departure, and it makes the new core in TMP (yes, yes, I know, different universe, but not the point! ) seem more advanced.
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I don't know if this has been addressed or not. But I saw the debate was going on, thought I'd toss in my two cents.
Scotty did say "core" but that could just as easily be a way of saying the element that powers the engines. For the sake of argument, lets say that the ship works the same way as we're used to. Deuterium (the matter) is injected tino a chamber while Dilithium (anti-matter) isinjected into the same chamber, however that's done. they react, the "go juice" travels to the nacelles, the nacells do all the warping of sapcetime, ship goes fast.
So assuming that and figuring that Deuterium, probably isn't terribly volatile and Dilithium is, I speculate that Scotty ejected the anti-matter containment bottles. The most explosive part of the reactor assembly.
Of course, I may have some of my treknology wrong on how it all works, don't have my manuals in front of me But suffice to say that I think Scotty ejected the anti-matter and made it go boom. Deuterium is still on board, dilithium crystals are still on board, the warp core, wherever it's hidden (I am gonna say it's horizontal and hidden below decks somewhere, just like I have for years with the TOS core) is still on board. They're just out of anti-matter. They probably have spare containers around somewhere so all they'd have to do is plug them in and make some new anti-matter.
Sound reasonable?
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