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Old August 30 2009, 05:17 PM   #1
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"The BBC's activities and ambitions are chilling"

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News Corporation's James Murdoch has said that a "dominant" BBC threatens independent journalism in the UK.
The chairman of the media giant in Europe, which owns the Times and Sun, also blamed the UK government for regulating the media "with relish".
"The expansion of state-sponsored journalism is a threat to the plurality and independence of news provision," he told the Edinburgh Television Festival.
The scope of the BBC's activities and ambitions was "chilling", he added.
Organisations like the BBC, funded by the licence fee, as well as Channel 4 and Ofcom, made it harder for other broadcasters to survive, he argued.
'Chilling'
"The BBC is dominant," Mr Murdoch said. "Other organisations might rise and fall but the BBC's income is guaranteed and growing."


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Free news
Mr Murdoch said free news on the web provided by the BBC made it "incredibly difficult" for private news organisations to ask people to pay for their news.
"It is essential for the future of independent digital journalism that a fair price can be charged for news to people who value it," he said.
News Corporation has said it will start charging online customers for news content across all its websites.
Leave it to a Murdoch to complain about the BBC when basically they own most of the rest of the media in the country.

I like the bit where it basically blames the BBC for them being unable to monetise news on the web. Like others don't provide free news, and like they've managed to do it in other countries but not in this one.

I know there are people here (Americans especially) who don't like idea (or the reality) of the TV Licence, but without the BBC I can say that 99% of the time there would be nothing on TV I would watch that wasn't an American import.
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Old August 30 2009, 05:35 PM   #2
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Yeah basically because people can access the BBC new site for free(just like every other new site on the net), he is having problems getting people to pay for news on his sites, has he not already started putting news stories on their website for subscribers only.
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Old August 30 2009, 05:41 PM   #3
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Yeah basically because people can access the BBC new site for free(just like every other new site on the net), he is having problems getting people to pay for news on his sites, has he not already started putting news stories on their website for subscribers only.
Not to mention the dodgy reputation his newspapers have, why would anyone consider paying for them when there's other more reliable news sources out there for free.
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Old August 30 2009, 05:50 PM   #4
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^^Yeah i can only agree with you there, the last time i looked at Sky news was during the terrible Sohamn murders, and Sky seemed not so much to be reporting it as they seemed to be relishing in this terrible tragedy...i know the news needs to be reported but Sky news in my view seems to enjoy the fact something really bad has happened in the way they cover it 24/7, i personally found their coverage of the Sohamn murders very distasteful.

Never watched Sky news again.
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Old August 30 2009, 05:57 PM   #5
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Yeah basically because people can access the BBC new site for free(just like every other new site on the net), he is having problems getting people to pay for news on his sites, has he not already started putting news stories on their website for subscribers only.
Not to mention the dodgy reputation his newspapers have, why would anyone consider paying for them when there's other more reliable news sources out there for free.
When you consider that ex-News of the World editor Rebekah "Named and Shamed" Brooks will soon become Chief Executive of News International Ltd. (the company owned by News Corporation which is in charge of The Times and The Sunday Times as well as the Sun and News of the World) then things are looking decidedly more grim.
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Old August 30 2009, 06:04 PM   #6
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^So can you imagine what it would be like if there truly was a "soft touch/no touch" regulation on the media in this country? I mean OFCOM are fairly useless as it is, and spend the whole time having reports and not actually doing much of anything, if they weren't there at all I can imagine Sky News would be like Fox News or worse.
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Old August 30 2009, 06:11 PM   #7
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I like the bit where it basically blames the BBC for them being unable to monetise news on the web. Like others don't provide free news, and like they've managed to do it in other countries but not in this one.
Right, it's the BBC's fault that ten years of attempts to monetize news on the 'net, from Salon to the New York Times, have failed.

The Associated Press is trying to monetize their reportage with arcane licensing fees, and it's about to render them irrelevant. Yes, there is a cost involved in gathering news and reporting it, and I understand the need for revenue. But no one's quite figured out how to do that effectively.
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Old August 30 2009, 07:02 PM   #8
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The chairman of the media giant in Europe, which owns the Times and Sun, also blamed the UK government for regulating the media "with relish".

The expansion of state-sponsored journalism is a threat to the plurality and independence of news provision," he told the Edinburgh Television Festival.
The scope of the BBC's activities and ambitions was "chilling", he added.
If they are so heavily regulated why have his papers not been shut down for all there lies they print everyday.
And if the BBC is state sponsored Journalism why is Brown the most hated man in the uk.
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Old August 30 2009, 07:08 PM   #9
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^I wouldn't be surprised if the government are slowly trying to chip away at the BBC with all these little demands placed on what they must do, and want to syphon off funds for other purposes. So in the long run Murdoch may just get his way.
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Old August 30 2009, 07:15 PM   #10
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Maybe it's me, but the manner in which he phrased his comments seemed to be implying that the BBC is beholden to the government somehow, which is obvious nonsense if you look at their output.

Also, that article is an excellent example of how the mandate put upon them as a condition of their license fee, to offer impartial, accurate coverage, can work quite well. Can't imagine Fox presenting an article about themselves like that.
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Old August 30 2009, 07:17 PM   #11
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Maybe it's me, but the manner in which he phrased his comments seemed to be implying that the BBC is beholden to the government somehow, which is obvious nonsense if you look at their output.

Also, that article is an excellent example of how the mandate put upon them as a condition of their license fee, to offer impartial, accurate coverage, can work quite well. Can't imagine Fox presenting an article about themselves like that.
Of course he presents it like that. He wants to make it seem like it's government controlled media that only "independent" and commercial media counteract.
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Old August 30 2009, 07:59 PM   #12
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It really is a case of "Well, he would say that" about Murdoch (and by that I mean Rupert, since I have no doubt that his son is acting as his sock puppet). After all, Rupe recently decreed that he wants to charge people to read his news websites... but how can he profit from that if there are free alternatives that people will go to instead? Answer: do everything he can to eliminate those free alternatives, preferably by force of law.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if, come the next election, the Murdoch papers swing behind whoever is most willing to "liberalise the market" - ie, scrap OFCOM and its troublesome media ownership rules and divert part of the licence fee away from the BBC to commercial rivals. Hmm, wait a minute, haven't the Tories promised to do both those things? (Hint: yes.)

News 24 doesn't get higher ratings than Sky News because it's subsidized: it gets higher ratings because it's better at delivering the news, and that's all there is to it. My gym shows News 24 and Sky News side by side, and even without sound it's easy to tell which has more actual journalistic content. Sky seems incapable of going more than ten minutes without some vapid 'human interest' puff piece.
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Old August 30 2009, 08:10 PM   #13
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i only watch Sky Sports News when Dad has that on.

mind you, the old fart's fucking bonkers, he won't believe anything about sport in the paper unless it's been on SSN. and keeps going on that they 'print anything they like' in the papers...
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Old August 30 2009, 08:31 PM   #14
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No offense to any Americans on here but with the little i have seen of fox and with the way sun behave i think we need ofcom and the BBC more than ever.
And if the tory's are going to weaken the BBC are they also going to ban the likes of Murdoch donating money to party's.
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Old August 30 2009, 08:41 PM   #15
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Technically, his newspapers being utter shit does nothing to detract from his argument. Although he'd probably be better off complaining to the European Union
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