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Old May 18 2009, 09:14 PM   #121
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Re: ENT Reference in Star Trek XI? - SPOILERS

I have heard some ENT fans say that there should've been a reference to an instructor T'pol at the academy, so she might've been on Earth.
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Old May 18 2009, 09:23 PM   #122
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I have heard some ENT fans say that there should've been a reference to an instructor T'pol at the academy, so she might've been on Earth.
I've heard that there's an instructor T'Pol in those Shatner-verse Starfleet Academy books, maybe that's what confused them.
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Old May 18 2009, 09:50 PM   #123
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Re: ENT Reference in Star Trek XI? - SPOILERS

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Makes one wonder if T'Pol lived long enough to die on Vulcan in the alternate/changed timeline. She would have just turned 192 were she still around(2086-2258).
Ahem, 2258-2086=172 (BTW memory-alpha says 2088.)
My bad.


172. 192.

Either way, most Vulcans don't make it that close to the 2-0-0 mark.
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Old May 18 2009, 09:58 PM   #124
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Re: ENT Reference in Star Trek XI? - SPOILERS

Mmh, most we've seen kind of do, don't they?

Spock, Sarek, Tuvok, T'Pau are all pretty old.
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Old May 18 2009, 10:08 PM   #125
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I think Sarek died from that Bendii syndrome he had, not from natural causes. Vulcans very well may lived to be over 200.
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Old May 18 2009, 10:10 PM   #126
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Mmh, most we've seen kind of do, don't they?

Spock, Sarek, Tuvok, T'Pau are all pretty old.
True. The primary characters we've seen. Spock is 157 in the new TREK movie. Sarek lived to 203. T'Pau made it to at least 145...ir even much older if her grayer, more advanced appearance as a Voyager holodeck character in "Alter Ego(VOY)" is any indication. Tuvok was, I believe, 113 or 114 during the final season of VOYAGER.

Not saying T'Pol isn't still alive in 2258/the Abrams timeline. But Dr. Crusher on TNG once hinted that most Vulcans don't make it to be old enough to risk a condition like Ben'dai Syndrome so I guess most of the race dies before they get near Sarek territory.
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Old May 19 2009, 04:17 AM   #127
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Always glad to see ya. Thanks for that.
Thank you commodore.

A few months ago there was this thread in STXI forum about ENT:

http://trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=84876

Check out my comment in that thread (post # 70). It got Cogley all excited about the movie.
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Old May 19 2009, 05:03 AM   #128
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Yeah, but suppose it's not Jonathan after all, but in fact his son. Would you like to see Bakula play him, or someone else?
Bakula...just like he played his father in Quantum Leap.
A lookalike son. That might work. Besides, if Archer went on to be Federation President towards the end of the previous century then he SHOULD be called President Archer were he still alive and kicking. not "Admiral". But that's just a small nitpick.
Not necessarily. George Washington preferred to be called General Washington, rather than President Washington, after he left office. (It was his opinion that civil titles should belong only to current office-holders.)
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Old May 19 2009, 06:11 AM   #129
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Always glad to see ya. Thanks for that.
Thank you commodore.

A few months ago there was this thread in STXI forum about ENT:

http://trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=84876

Check out my comment in that thread (post # 70). It got Cogley all excited about the movie.
It does seem oddly gratifying. I always felt Ent got crap for stuff they shouldn't have (actors, some of the plots, etc.). Nice to see vindication.
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Old May 19 2009, 08:24 AM   #130
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Re: ENT Reference in Star Trek XI? - SPOILERS

Good news. Bob Orci answered a question about whether the Admiral Archer mentioned is indeed Jonathan Archer from ENT. Here is his answer:

yes, it is Admiral Archer is a reference to the Archer we all know and love, and yes he would be over 100, which is a likely life expectancy in a futuristic space faring race of humans (as depicted by McCoy’s (Deforest Kelley) in THE NEXT GENERATION.
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Old May 19 2009, 09:59 AM   #131
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Re: ENT Reference in Star Trek XI? - SPOILERS

Kind of makes you wonder why Kirk was depressed over "getting old" in his early 50s when he knew his life expectancy would be well over 100 and he could still be active in Starfleet in those years anyways.
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Old May 19 2009, 10:12 AM   #132
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Not necessarily. George Washington preferred to be called General Washington, rather than President Washington, after he left office. (It was his opinion that civil titles should belong only to current office-holders.)
Excellent point! Which I know and should have thought of first!

When JFK had a phone conversation with former President Dwight Eisenhower about the Cuban Missile Crisis he referred to him as General. Which was also Ike's preference.

http://www.awesomestories.com/assets...efs-eisenhower
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Old May 19 2009, 02:26 PM   #133
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Good news. Bob Orci answered a question about whether the Admiral Archer mentioned is indeed Jonathan Archer from ENT. Here is his answer:

yes, it is Admiral Archer is a reference to the Archer we all know and love, and yes he would be over 100, which is a likely life expectancy in a futuristic space faring race of humans (as depicted by McCoy’s (Deforest Kelley) in THE NEXT GENERATION.
Where did he say that? That's astonishing because in another interview I've read it sounded more like the Admiral Archer in the movie was supposed to be a desendant of our Archer which would also be in line with the crew dossiers on the website that list Scotty as being an aide to an Admiral Archer teaching "Advanced Relativistic Mechanics", which doesn't sound like our Archer at all.
But, well, this statement by Orci is as clear as it gets.
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Old May 19 2009, 02:39 PM   #134
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Good news. Bob Orci answered a question about whether the Admiral Archer mentioned is indeed Jonathan Archer from ENT. Here is his answer:

yes, it is Admiral Archer is a reference to the Archer we all know and love, and yes he would be over 100, which is a likely life expectancy in a futuristic space faring race of humans (as depicted by McCoy’s (Deforest Kelley) in THE NEXT GENERATION.
Where did he say that? That's astonishing because in another interview I've read it sounded more like the Admiral Archer in the movie was supposed to be a desendant of our Archer which would also be in line with the crew dossiers on the website that list Scotty as being an aide to an Admiral Archer teaching "Advanced Relativistic Mechanics", which doesn't sound like our Archer at all.
But, well, this statement by Orci is as clear as it gets.
He's been answering questions ongoing in this thread. His response to Archer is post #475:

http://trekmovie.com/2009/05/18/orci...-impromptu-qa/
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Old May 19 2009, 03:06 PM   #135
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Re: ENT Reference in Star Trek XI? - SPOILERS

Thanks, I've found it myself in the meantime and wanted to post it but you were faster. An interesting read, to be sure.

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