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Old May 16 2009, 10:11 AM   #106
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Re: ENT Reference in Star Trek XI? - SPOILERS

People, people.. it's the same Archer. Enterprise featured a temporal cold war. Star Trek XI featured a Romulan changing history with time travel. It is clear that this reference to Archer in the movie speaks of an untold story, that of Archer ending up some years or decades into the future, unaged. Hence he is alive during Kirk's era because he is not as old as he should be. It could be as simple as what happened to Scotty in TNG or it could involve all kinds of nefarious plots.. and we would know all about it if ENT had not been cancelled!!!!
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Old May 16 2009, 11:11 AM   #107
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Meh, I don't care. You know, if it's Archer's son, which is silly, and not Archer, let someone else play him. Hey, let's throw Connor Trinneer a bone and let him play it. (Edit: I didn't mean to say Connor should get the throw-aways, more like let him be apart of it, too.)
Connor Trinneer playing Archer's son? Imagine if he played Archer's and T'Pol's son, now wouldn't that be something. I already have a scene in my head:

ARCHER'S DEATHBED

Pointy-eared Jonathan Archer Jr. (played by Trinneer): "Dad, I've been thinking... About that DNA test..."
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Old May 16 2009, 05:20 PM   #108
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"I don't care if you have to search every rock orbiting the Murasaki Quasar, you're not leaving until you've found my beagle!"




KIRK:"Don't you have something you need to go do, sir?

I mean...my childhood hero or not...you're a pain in the ASS right now."
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Old May 16 2009, 05:41 PM   #109
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"I don't care if you have to search every rock orbiting the Murasaki Quasar, you're not leaving until you've found my beagle!"




KIRK:"Don't you have something you need to go do, sir?

I mean...my childhood hero or not...you're a pain in the ASS right now."
"Don't patronise me, kiddo. I was annoying the hell out of everyone when your grandfather wasn't even in diapers, yet!"
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Old May 16 2009, 05:57 PM   #110
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Mach5, I think that's already been an incredibly bad fanfic.
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Old May 16 2009, 05:58 PM   #111
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"I don't care if you have to search every rock orbiting the Murasaki Quasar, you're not leaving until you've found my beagle!"




KIRK:"Don't you have something you need to go do, sir?

I mean...my childhood hero or not...you're a pain in the ASS right now."
"Don't patronise me, kiddo. I was annoying the hell out of everyone when your grandfather wasn't even in diapers, yet!"
KIRK:"With all due respect...I have a job to do.

And your liver just slipped out and onto my floor."
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Old May 18 2009, 04:55 AM   #112
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People, people.. it's the same Archer. Enterprise featured a temporal cold war. Star Trek XI featured a Romulan changing history with time travel. It is clear that this reference to Archer in the movie speaks of an untold story, that of Archer ending up some years or decades into the future, unaged. Hence he is alive during Kirk's era because he is not as old as he should be. It could be as simple as what happened to Scotty in TNG or it could involve all kinds of nefarious plots.. and we would know all about it if ENT had not been cancelled!!!!

I think we already have a plausible answer as to why Archer could live 150+

In Divergence, Archer was infected with the Klingon augment virus in order to produce enough anti-bodies for a cure. Even Phlox at the time stated "I would have to expose you to the plague; I cannot predict what it might do to you." Even Klingons suffered the residual effect of being genetically ridgeless a century later. It is plausible even after being cured, Archers exposure to the augment virus allowed him to live well beyond a normal human's lifespan.

It was, after all, just an augment virus.
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Old May 18 2009, 05:03 AM   #113
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Re: ENT Reference in Star Trek XI? - SPOILERS

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People, people.. it's the same Archer. Enterprise featured a temporal cold war. Star Trek XI featured a Romulan changing history with time travel. It is clear that this reference to Archer in the movie speaks of an untold story, that of Archer ending up some years or decades into the future, unaged. Hence he is alive during Kirk's era because he is not as old as he should be. It could be as simple as what happened to Scotty in TNG or it could involve all kinds of nefarious plots.. and we would know all about it if ENT had not been cancelled!!!!

I think we already have a plausible answer as to why Archer could live 150+

In Divergence, Archer was infected with the Klingon augment virus in order to produce enough anti-bodies for a cure. Even Phlox at the time stated "I would have to expose you to the plague; I cannot predict what it might do to you." Even Klingons suffered the residual effect of being genetically ridgeless a century later. It is plausible even after being cured, Archers exposure to the augment virus allowed him to live well beyond a normal human's lifespan.

It was, after all, just an augment virus.
THIS.

Okay as far as I'm concerned that is the answer. It's completely obvious and doesn't require any unseen events.
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Old May 18 2009, 06:22 AM   #114
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I was glad to hear the reference to the old Porthos in the movie. Hopefully we will see the old dog in the next movie.
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Old May 18 2009, 05:02 PM   #115
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I was glad to hear the reference to the old Porthos in the movie. Hopefully we will see the old dog in the next movie.
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Old May 18 2009, 05:24 PM   #116
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I just finished the the movie novel and a Vulcan scientist named T'Mer is mention it makes me wonder if she was T'Pol's great grandmother.She was considered to have been one of Vulcans greatest scientists.
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Old May 18 2009, 08:40 PM   #117
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Makes one wonder if T'Pol lived long enough to die on Vulcan in the alternate/changed timeline. She would have just turned 172 were she still around(2086-2258). The odds were against it...but a sad possibility.
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Old May 18 2009, 09:00 PM   #118
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Makes one wonder if T'Pol lived long enough to die on Vulcan in the alternate/changed timeline. She would have just turned 192 were she still around(2086-2258).
Ahem, 2258-2086=172 (BTW memory-alpha says 2088.)
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Old May 18 2009, 09:02 PM   #119
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I like to think T'Pol was one of the Vulcans getting evacuated by Spock.
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Old May 18 2009, 09:13 PM   #120
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I like to think T'Pol was one of the Vulcans getting evacuated by Spock.
I like to think she was on Earth eating pecan pie and drinking chamomile tea together with "Uncle Carl" (if you've read "Last Full Measure," you should get it)
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