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Old May 13 2009, 09:16 PM   #91
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Re: ENT Reference in Star Trek XI? - SPOILERS

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In the movie when the Romulans initially attack the Kelvin, Captain Robau says something about "Polarizing the shields" which reminded me of Captain Archer saying "Polarize the Hull Plating." Enterprise was the only series I remember hearing anyone say anything "polarizing" something on the ship. If that was the case it would make sense given this is between Enterprise and TOS. I couldn't find it in the novel.
Technically I think Robau said "polarize the viewscreen." Apparently that close to a huge star/sun the Kelvin's main viewscreen functioned that way...I suppose to help filter out the brightest light coming from the star.
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Old May 14 2009, 07:56 PM   #92
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The beauty of Archer living to see NCC1701 launch in 2245 and dying the same day is over now..


Since the ship launched in 2258 uncerimoniously.... Archer had to have been dead by then
Since this movie took place in the Alt Universe, something Nero did could have pushed the launch date back 13 years...but that doesn't affect the Prime Universe at all. There's still no reason to believe the Enterprise didn't launch in 2245 in the Prime Universe.

That's the real beauty of this film...it doesn't affect anything in the Prime Universe, except Nero, his crew and ship, Spock, and the Jellyfish ship are no longer there in the 24th Century. But, that is just part of the normal timeline of the Prime Universe...that they left.

Also, I don't find the reference to Archer and his prized beagle as a cut on ENT at all. I still think it's majorly cool Archer is the only character from another Star Trek series mentioned. Although it would have been cool when the Jellyfish ship was destroyed if Prime Spock said something like, "Mr. Laforge will not be happy"...a reference to the Countdown comic prequel to the movie.
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Old May 15 2009, 04:20 AM   #93
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That's the real beauty of this film...it doesn't affect anything in the Prime Universe...
I liked that about the movie too.

Also, I don't find the reference to Archer and his prized beagle as a cut on ENT at all.
Seeing the reference in context, it was fun. Even Scotty didn't conclude that the dog was a goner. (Gotta love Simon Pegg.) And knowing that the book ends with Porthos safe and sound doesn't hurt. I wish we could have seen the scene where Scotty quietly delivers the dog back to the Admiral.
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Old May 15 2009, 06:41 AM   #94
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In season 5 Porthos was going to be, tragically, lost in some space time temporal fart. It would have been very touching.

Obviously when Archer was an old man Porthos, the original one!! was returned to him. Perhaps he just appeared one day in Daniel's quarters and the security guarding it heard him barking.

Poor Archer, his joy was short lived because that larrikin Scotty went and beamed poor Porthos away
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I wish we could have seen the scene where Scotty quietly delivers the dog back to the Admiral.
That would be great to see in the next movie...another nod to ENT and some continuity with the first movie.
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Old May 15 2009, 07:35 PM   #96
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I wish we could have seen the scene where Scotty quietly delivers the dog back to the Admiral.
That would be great to see in the next movie...another nod to ENT and some continuity with the first movie.
An Admiral McCoy-looking, decrepit Scott Bakula in thick old-age makeup. That'd be worth the price of admission alone!
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Old May 15 2009, 07:46 PM   #97
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I wish we could have seen the scene where Scotty quietly delivers the dog back to the Admiral.
That would be great to see in the next movie...another nod to ENT and some continuity with the first movie.
An Admiral McCoy-looking, decrepit Scott Bakula in thick old-age makeup. That'd be worth the price of admission alone!
Especially if he calls Scotty, a "Whipper snapper."
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That would be great to see in the next movie...another nod to ENT and some continuity with the first movie.
An Admiral McCoy-looking, decrepit Scott Bakula in thick old-age makeup. That'd be worth the price of admission alone!
Especially if he calls Scotty, a "Whipper snapper."
Yeah, but suppose it's not Jonathan after all, but in fact his son. Would you like to see Bakula play him, or someone else?
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An Admiral McCoy-looking, decrepit Scott Bakula in thick old-age makeup. That'd be worth the price of admission alone!
Especially if he calls Scotty, a "Whipper snapper."
Yeah, but suppose it's not Jonathan after all, but in fact his son. Would you like to see Bakula play him, or someone else?
I suppose Jonathan could have married after leaving Enterprise and had a kid and grandkids. But the "IaMD" bio never hinted at that so I guess we're sort of left assuming it's him...The Old Man.
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An Admiral McCoy-looking, decrepit Scott Bakula in thick old-age makeup. That'd be worth the price of admission alone!
Especially if he calls Scotty, a "Whipper snapper."
Yeah, but suppose it's not Jonathan after all, but in fact his son. Would you like to see Bakula play him, or someone else?
Bakula...just like he played his father in Quantum Leap.
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Especially if he calls Scotty, a "Whipper snapper."
Yeah, but suppose it's not Jonathan after all, but in fact his son. Would you like to see Bakula play him, or someone else?
Bakula...just like he played his father in Quantum Leap.
A lookalike son. That might work. Besides, if Archer went on to be Federation President towards the end of the previous century then he SHOULD be called President Archer were he still alive and kicking. not "Admiral". But that's just a small nitpick.
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Old May 15 2009, 09:22 PM   #102
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An Admiral McCoy-looking, decrepit Scott Bakula in thick old-age makeup. That'd be worth the price of admission alone!
Especially if he calls Scotty, a "Whipper snapper."
Yeah, but suppose it's not Jonathan after all, but in fact his son. Would you like to see Bakula play him, or someone else?
Meh, I don't care. You know, if it's Archer's son, which is silly, and not Archer, let someone else play him. Hey, let's throw Connor Trinneer a bone and let him play it. (Edit: I didn't mean to say Connor should get the throw-aways, more like let him be apart of it, too.)

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I had the thought that it would have been more poignant to reference Ambassador T'Pol and her prized beagle. As one of T'Pol's first scenes was distaste for Porthos, such a reference would indicate how much she changed.

Besides, if Archer became President of the Federation, that title would take precedence over any Starfleet title. Less problematic about being alive, too.
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