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Old May 12 2009, 05:29 PM   #76
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Re: So where did Admiral Archer's beagle end up?

Hopefully not on the menu at a Tellarite restaurant.

I was rather hoping hot buttered beagle was a typo...
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Old May 12 2009, 06:54 PM   #77
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Re: ENT Reference in Star Trek XI? - SPOILERS

I have found out the fate of Admiral Archer's prized Beagle(Porthos the IX for reference purpose of 'the beagle with the nice ears").If you read the novelization of the movie, in the epilogue, the beagle(the "beagle with the nice ears") finally rematerializes on one of the Enterprise's transporters pads just as the ship is leaving spacedock with Kirk in command for the first time.It's said that noone had any idea where he came from, but of course we know Scotty's secret.

So there you have it.Admiral Archer likely gets his beagle back and he does not end up dead like so many have thought.
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Old May 12 2009, 07:16 PM   #78
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Re: So where did Admiral Archer's beagle end up?

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Porthos ended up in a Dyson sphere.

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And ends up getting eaten by old Scotty in 2369. Circle of life.


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Old May 13 2009, 12:58 AM   #79
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Re: ENT Reference in Star Trek XI? - SPOILERS

Sorry, I know we're in the ENT forum and all, but how does this movie in ANY way indicate that things in the ENT portion of the timeline played out like we 'remember'?

The vast majority of key ENT moments were part of that Temporal Cold War crap, which existed because of the timeline UP TO that point in the future. 28th century? 29th Century? Can't remember. If you change the points leading up to it, who's to say it was the same? Tweak it even a little, and it's drastically different, thus affecting ENT differently.

First Contact, and the whole Borg thing, was part of the ENT timeline as well. That movie, as well as Picard, Ent-E, and the whole deal, would likely be altered by the changes.

ENT may have happened before the incursion, but was pretty heavily affected by the events of the 23rd century and beyond due to the heavy time-travel influences...
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Old May 13 2009, 05:20 AM   #80
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Re: ENT Reference in Star Trek XI? - SPOILERS

In the movie when the Romulans initially attack the Kelvin, Captain Robau says something about "Polarizing the shields" which reminded me of Captain Archer saying "Polarize the Hull Plating." Enterprise was the only series I remember hearing anyone say anything "polarizing" something on the ship. If that was the case it would make sense given this is between Enterprise and TOS. I couldn't find it in the novel.
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Old May 13 2009, 06:51 AM   #81
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Re: Beagle

In the novelization Scotty rematerializes him during the "Space the final frontier..." portion recited by Spock.
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Old May 13 2009, 07:57 AM   #82
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Re: ENT Reference in Star Trek XI? - SPOILERS

The beauty of Archer living to see NCC1701 launch in 2245 and dying the same day is over now..


Since the ship launched in 2258 uncerimoniously.... Archer had to have been dead by then
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Old May 13 2009, 09:39 AM   #83
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In the movie when the Romulans initially attack the Kelvin, Captain Robau says something about "Polarizing the shields" which reminded me of Captain Archer saying "Polarize the Hull Plating." Enterprise was the only series I remember hearing anyone say anything "polarizing" something on the ship. If that was the case it would make sense given this is between Enterprise and TOS. I couldn't find it in the novel.
Robau said: "Polarize the viewscreen," which meant applying some kind of a polarization filter to viewscreen/window to reduce the glare from the star.
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Old May 13 2009, 09:42 AM   #84
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The beauty of Archer living to see NCC1701 launch in 2245 and dying the same day is over now..


Since the ship launched in 2258 uncerimoniously.... Archer had to have been dead by then
Yeah, that sucks. However, the original timeline will eventually be restored (Else the USS Relativity would be showing up), so it's still gonna happen. Just not in this timeline.
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Old May 13 2009, 10:15 AM   #85
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However, the original timeline will eventually be restored (Else the USS Relativity would be showing up), so it's still gonna happen. Just not in this timeline.
Ummm, no, Relativity wouldn't be showing up. The only time Relativity ever showed up was when it suited Braga's and his sidekicks' momentary whims.
Otherwise, Braxton's little Time Police would have kicked Janeway's butt for what she did in "Endgame."
The original timeline will never be restored because it still exists parallel to this new timeline. It just won't get revisited on screen any time soon. Vulcan is gone , may it rest in peace.
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Old May 13 2009, 10:22 AM   #86
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However, the original timeline will eventually be restored (Else the USS Relativity would be showing up), so it's still gonna happen. Just not in this timeline.
Ummm, no, Relativity wouldn't be showing up. The only time Relativity ever showed up was when it suited Braga's and his sidekicks' momentary whims.
Otherwise, Braxton's little Time Police would have kicked Janeway's butt for what she did in "Endgame."
The original timeline will never be restored because it still exists parallel to this new timeline. It just won't get revisited on screen any time soon. Vulcan is gone , may it rest in peace.
The only two times they showed up was when the timeline wasn't restored without their meddling. If Janeway's actions in Endgame were part of their timeline, they wouldn't have kicked her butt.
It may take a while before the new timeline reaches it's reset button, though. Perhaps Picard or Sisko will get to "press the button" in this new timeline.
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Old May 13 2009, 10:29 AM   #87
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It may take a while before the new timeline reaches it's reset button, though. Perhaps Picard or Sisko will get to "press the button" in this new timeline.
As long as Orci and Kurtzman run the show, there won't be any reset buttons. And by the time the creative team behind Trek changes, audiences will already be too accustomed to this new continuity that a radical change would only bring in confusion.

I think you need to face it - Berman/Braga era is gone for good. The sooner you accept it, the sooner you'll enjoy this new Trek 2.0 universe.
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Old May 13 2009, 12:39 PM   #88
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Re: ENT Reference in Star Trek XI? - SPOILERS

Eh, the destruction of Vulcan and such doesn't really demolish the TNG+ Universe since Vulcan didn't have much to do with it. Plenty of stuff in the TNG+ timeline would still likely happen anyways (Q and the Prophets invested too heavily into Picard and Sisko to just let them be erased) with a few differences.
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Old May 13 2009, 12:40 PM   #89
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Sorry, I know we're in the ENT forum and all, but how does this movie in ANY way indicate that things in the ENT portion of the timeline played out like we 'remember'?
The movie itself really doesn't, I guess, it only implies heavily that the timeline changed because of Nero stumbling into 2233, so everything before that would be the same as in the Prime Universe.

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The vast majority of key ENT moments were part of that Temporal Cold War crap, which existed because of the timeline UP TO that point in the future. 28th century? 29th Century? Can't remember. If you change the points leading up to it, who's to say it was the same? Tweak it even a little, and it's drastically different, thus affecting ENT differently.
In reality if any such thing would be possible. But the movie shows us how similar the new timeline is to the old. The same people are born and end up in the same places at the end. Therefore, it stands to reason that by the time of Daniels (wasn't he from the 31st century?) it won't be too different from what is happening in the old timeline.
The truth is that Trek has screwed with time travel in such a way that over the course of what we've seen, a lot of new timelines were created. So, we probably saw different ones all the time, anyway.

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First Contact, and the whole Borg thing, was part of the ENT timeline as well. That movie, as well as Picard, Ent-E, and the whole deal, would likely be altered by the changes.
Well, the effects of the events in First Contact were presented in ENT vaguely enough. Cochrane was on record saying that people from the future helped him while cyborgs tried to stop him. And the Borg sphere crashed on Earth. You wouldn't need the crew of the E to make that happen.
Or maybe we already saw the Abramsverse in ENT...

In the end, this quantum reality thing was just a device to do a soft reboot, I'm pretty sure they didn't waste too much time thinking about ENT. Nothing is keeping them from contradicting anything established by the series, if they so choose. It's very unlikely though because it's far enough in the past from their time frame. Unless they do, we can assume ENT happens the way we've seen it.

All in all, we're just having fun basking in the idea that of all the Trek series, ENT is the only one happening in both timelines, after all the hate it got. I'm not deadly serious about it all.
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It may take a while before the new timeline reaches it's reset button, though. Perhaps Picard or Sisko will get to "press the button" in this new timeline.
As long as Orci and Kurtzman run the show, there won't be any reset buttons. And by the time the creative team behind Trek changes, audiences will already be too accustomed to this new continuity that a radical change would only bring in confusion.

I think you need to face it - Berman/Braga era is gone for good. The sooner you accept it, the sooner you'll enjoy this new Trek 2.0 universe.
I know it will probably take a LOT of time, if they ever reset the new timeline. From my personal continuity-thing, however, I believe the timeline will eventually reset. And I already enjoy the Trek 2.0 universe (Just not as much as the original oine).
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