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Old May 19 2009, 09:48 PM   #136
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Re: ENT Reference in Star Trek XI? - SPOILERS

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Bakula...just like he played his father in Quantum Leap.
A lookalike son. That might work. Besides, if Archer went on to be Federation President towards the end of the previous century then he SHOULD be called President Archer were he still alive and kicking. not "Admiral". But that's just a small nitpick.
Not necessarily. George Washington preferred to be called General Washington, rather than President Washington, after he left office. (It was his opinion that civil titles should belong only to current office-holders.)

True. And I agree in retrospect. But then I'm a legendary nitpicker and complainer about insane minutae.
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Old May 19 2009, 11:36 PM   #137
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Good news. Bob Orci answered a question about whether the Admiral Archer mentioned is indeed Jonathan Archer from ENT. Here is his answer:

yes, it is Admiral Archer is a reference to the Archer we all know and love, and yes he would be over 100, which is a likely life expectancy in a futuristic space faring race of humans (as depicted by McCoy’s (Deforest Kelley) in THE NEXT GENERATION.
That's gratifying, too, but seemed pretty obvious to me. Thanks, Cpt!

That's astonishing because in another interview I've read it sounded more like the Admiral Archer in the movie was supposed to be a desendant of our Archer which would also be in line with the crew dossiers on the website that list Scotty as being an aide to an Admiral Archer teaching "Advanced Relativistic Mechanics", which doesn't sound like our Archer at all.
But, well, this statement by Orci is as clear as it gets.
Well, Trip is dead so is unavailable. I dunno, I suppose Archer's as good a guy as anyone. I have a feeling his class has to speak loudly. Can we have the Whipper Snapper pic again, Cpt?
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Old May 20 2009, 03:20 AM   #138
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Re: ENT Reference in Star Trek XI? - SPOILERS

Went back to see it again on Sunday. I completely missed the reference the first time. My daughter had to tell me about it.

Anyway, my question is; how could anyone have thought it a reference to anyone other than Jonathan Archer? Why even use the name "Archer" and the reference to his dog if it wasn't Jonathan Archer? I love it. Of all the spinoffs, the much maligned Ent gets the only straight up, in-story shout out in the movie -- and by Scotty no less. And well it should since the only spinoff that can (still) fit into the new timeline is Ent (another bit of sweet irony).

JJ really played it close to the vest with this one. One of his early quotes had him saying tha he didn't really watch Ent. Of course it was Orci and Kurtzman (the staff's resident Trekkies) who steered him right on this one most likely.

Huge grin.

Also, finally heard Majel as "computer". Missed this the first time too. That was sad, but I was really glad that she was at least there.
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Old May 20 2009, 04:30 AM   #139
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Another question about the reference, this time about Porthos:

is the beagle mentioned Porthos? Has veterinary science advanced so much? (Please say yes!)
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YES!

You know, the beagle that Scotty supposedly killed must have been one hell of a special dog to get him sent to an ice moon, whether Archer's or not. If Porthos really did live to be 140, you could darn sure bet if someone foolishly extinguished him there would be more than just a slap on the wrist.
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Old May 20 2009, 05:54 AM   #140
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^ Heee! I see Time Travel in Archer (and Porthos') future. Oh boy! (Cue QL music.) I guess that means Trip is saved.
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Old May 20 2009, 09:51 PM   #141
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There is a definite second reference to ENT in the movie. McCoy talks about a vaccination to Melvaran mud fleas, which he injects into Kirk to make him appear sick. Melvaran mud fleas were mentioned once in Star Trek...the ENT episode "Canamar" (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Melvaran_mud_flea)

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Old May 21 2009, 12:22 AM   #142
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Aren't Melvaran mud fleas a reference to the Futurama episode "Where No Fan Has Gone Before" with Mellvar? If so, is that a reference recursion?
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Old May 21 2009, 01:49 PM   #143
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http://www.moviesonline.ca/movienews_16696.html


MoviesOnline: Star Trek has this strange sort of fan base. There’s these old classic fans and there’s the Next Gen fans which are closer to our age who grew up with it in the 80s and the movie doesn’t really give any shout outs to the Next Gen fans. Is that something you guys thought about long term since those actors are still around.

Bob: Well Leonard Nimoy’s plot comes off of the reunification plot that began in Next Generation. Actually the whole events of the movie are spawned very much left off from Next Generation.
Alex: Admiral Archer gets referenced.
Bob: That’s Enterprise.

Alex: Yeah, I know.
Bob: But in Next Generation.
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Old May 21 2009, 02:04 PM   #144
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Re: ENT Reference in Star Trek XI? - SPOILERS

Not exclusively ENT, but McCoy does mention "Andorian shingles".

Presumably explains why Shran only got to appear once during Season 2.



The Cardassian drink ordered in the bar scene is an odd one. Seems to indicate the race was known about during this alternate 23rd Century, if not the prime one too. Perhaps even another first contact situation Archer got involved in (and presumably beaten up during).
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Old May 21 2009, 04:03 PM   #145
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The Cardassian drink ordered in the bar scene is an odd one. Seems to indicate the race was known about during this alternate 23rd Century, if not the prime one too. Perhaps even another first contact situation Archer got involved in (and presumably beaten up during).


Iloja of Prim was a Cardassian poet living on Vulcan some time before 2245 (mentioned in DS9 - Destiny), so the Cardassians would be known by the time Uhura ordered the drink. The drink isn't a continuity error.
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Old May 21 2009, 07:44 PM   #146
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There is a definite second reference to ENT in the movie. McCoy talks about a vaccination to Melvaran mud fleas, which he injects into Kirk to make him appear sick. Melvaran mud fleas were mentioned once in Star Trek...the ENT episode "Canamar" (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Melvaran_mud_flea)

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SWEET! Never caught that one by a longshot! J.J. did his homework!
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Old May 21 2009, 08:33 PM   #147
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SWEET! Never caught that one by a longshot! J.J. did his homework!
Bob and Alex did, not JJ.
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Old May 21 2009, 08:35 PM   #148
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SWEET! Never caught that one by a longshot! J.J. did his homework!
Bob and Alex did, not JJ.
Either way...did anyone really expect the new TREK movie crew to delve THAT deeply into the more obscure franchise lore and canon?
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i am not sure but it looks like one of the techs prepping a shuttle is wearing a enterprise uniform.
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There is a definite second reference to ENT in the movie. McCoy talks about a vaccination to Melvaran mud fleas, which he injects into Kirk to make him appear sick. Melvaran mud fleas were mentioned once in Star Trek...the ENT episode "Canamar" (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Melvaran_mud_flea)

Coolness!
That is just SO incredible, thank you for posting that!!

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