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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

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Old May 11 2009, 03:40 AM   #1336
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Saw it again today and still thought it was great. The audience liked it too although the sneak preview crowd was a little more lively. I think McCoy did call for Nurse Chapel when Kirk revived in sickbay.
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Old May 11 2009, 03:44 AM   #1337
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I probably shouldn't be posting here.

You see, I've been a nerd all my life. Grew up on Batman comics and Lord of the Rings and Star Wars and eventually William Gibson and Blade Runner and Swamp Thing and Primer and Akira and George R.R. Martin and pretty much every other legendary geek franchise or work, plus many others that weren't even close to being legendary (or, you know, even any good).

But I have never been a Star Trek fan.

Don't get me wrong, I didn't hate it. I've seen a bunch of episodes of the original series (my dad is a huge fan), and thought them reasonably entertaining television. Same for the Next generation, and Wrath of Khan and First Contact, which are the only movies I've seen. I found them all to be solidly enjoyable (I cannot, however, say the same for whatever the most recent show was, the one with Scott Bakula. Caught like 10 minutes of it and then hastily changed the channel).

But I never got what all the fuss was about. I felt reasonably entertained, but never felt thrilled in my gut. I didn't feel like I simply had to see more, to know more. My dad tried valiantly to indoctrinate me, but failed. I never, ever thought in my life that I would say that a Star Trek movie was one of my favorite films.

That all changed when I saw this movie. I was completely and utterly blown away. I felt like a little kid again. When it was over it felt like the 2 hours had gone by in 15 minutes. I choked up at the sad parts, I thrilled at the excitement, I laughed at the humor. Every single major crew member kicked ass. Simply put, for the first time I got what my dad always tried to make me understand, about the sheer wonder of this universe, and of the brilliance of these characters. Was it flawless in some technical, abstract evaluation of plot and technique? No. Too much lens flare, some forced humor here and there, a forgettable (albeit well-acted) villain. But it was absolutely flawless in the sense that it was a perfect moviegoing experience for me.

I went with my dad (a lifelong fan), my girlfriend (the only scifi she likes are Wall-E, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind and Cormac McCarthy's The Road), and a few good friends (all 3 of them geeks, but only 1 a big star trek fan). Every one of us loved it. My dad is so happy, not only that this movie was made for him, but that I like it too, that he can finally share at least a little of this passion of his with me. My girlfriend just couldn't stop saying, "I can't believe how much I liked it".

I am going to see it again. I will buy the DVD. I will see the sequel, and would watch any series they spin out of this. Not only that, but I've decided to give the original Star Trek another try, to see if it finally clicks for me in a way it didn't in my youth. JJ Abrams did what my dad never did--he made me a convert (though I still can't promise I'll watch that Scott Bakula nonsense).
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Old May 11 2009, 03:55 AM   #1338
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Saw it today.

This was not Star Trek.

These could have been any characters, in any science fiction setting. There was nothing Star Trek about this movie.

Product placements for Budweiser and Nokia? Give me a fucking break.
I thought there were no more corporations in the Federation

How did they make it through the crippling world war and economic restructuring???
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Old May 11 2009, 03:58 AM   #1339
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Bacl wrote: View Post
Saw it today.

This was not Star Trek.

These could have been any characters, in any science fiction setting. There was nothing Star Trek about this movie.

Product placements for Budweiser and Nokia? Give me a fucking break.
I thought there were no more corporations in the Federation

How did they make it through the crippling world war and economic restructuring???
Yeah. And not only that, but how did General Motors, Ford, GE, and others survive World War I AND World War II??

I smell a canon rape..
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Old May 11 2009, 04:10 AM   #1340
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Well, Bacl, you are entitled to hate this movie. That is your choice about how you feel about it. However, if your opinion is right, then that means the vast majority of us here on this board are wrong about Star Trek XI.
No, it means that the "vast majority" have a differing opinion. That does not mean either perspective is "wrong". Mathmatical questions have right and wrong answers. Perceptions of the quality of the film do not.
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Old May 11 2009, 04:12 AM   #1341
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Saw it today.

This was not Star Trek.

These could have been any characters, in any science fiction setting. There was nothing Star Trek about this movie.

Product placements for Budweiser and Nokia? Give me a fucking break.
I thought there were no more corporations in the Federation

How did they make it through the crippling world war and economic restructuring???
Yeah. And not only that, but how did General Motors, Ford, GE, and others survive World War I AND World War II??

I smell a canon rape..
Corporations don't exist because the Federation's economy is structured along technocratic lines, making it a quasi-communist state.

And WW1 and WW2 were not massive nuclear wars, so that point is irrelevant. I was only making an observation, no reason to get defensive...
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Old May 11 2009, 04:14 AM   #1342
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Listen carefully when you see the film next time. There's a scene in sickbay -- I THINK when McCoy takes over CMO -- that as he heads offscreen, he calls out for Nurse Chapel.
Yes he does! I've seen the movie three times now and can't fucking wait to see it tonight in English for the first time!
AND she responds "Yes, Doctor". I wonder if it was Majel doing that one line?
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Old May 11 2009, 04:18 AM   #1343
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I probably shouldn't be posting here.

You see, I've been a nerd all my life. Grew up on Batman comics and Lord of the Rings and Star Wars and eventually William Gibson and Blade Runner and Swamp Thing and Primer and Akira and George R.R. Martin and pretty much every other legendary geek franchise or work, plus many others that weren't even close to being legendary (or, you know, even any good).

But I have never been a Star Trek fan.

Don't get me wrong, I didn't hate it. I've seen a bunch of episodes of the original series (my dad is a huge fan), and thought them reasonably entertaining television. Same for the Next generation, and Wrath of Khan and First Contact, which are the only movies I've seen. I found them all to be solidly enjoyable (I cannot, however, say the same for whatever the most recent show was, the one with Scott Bakula. Caught like 10 minutes of it and then hastily changed the channel).

But I never got what all the fuss was about. I felt reasonably entertained, but never felt thrilled in my gut. I didn't feel like I simply had to see more, to know more. My dad tried valiantly to indoctrinate me, but failed. I never, ever thought in my life that I would say that a Star Trek movie was one of my favorite films.

That all changed when I saw this movie. I was completely and utterly blown away. I felt like a little kid again. When it was over it felt like the 2 hours had gone by in 15 minutes. I choked up at the sad parts, I thrilled at the excitement, I laughed at the humor. Every single major crew member kicked ass. Simply put, for the first time I got what my dad always tried to make me understand, about the sheer wonder of this universe, and of the brilliance of these characters. Was it flawless in some technical, abstract evaluation of plot and technique? No. Too much lens flare, some forced humor here and there, a forgettable (albeit well-acted) villain. But it was absolutely flawless in the sense that it was a perfect moviegoing experience for me.

I went with my dad (a lifelong fan), my girlfriend (the only scifi she likes are Wall-E, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind and Cormac McCarthy's The Road), and a few good friends (all 3 of them geeks, but only 1 a big star trek fan). Every one of us loved it. My dad is so happy, not only that this movie was made for him, but that I like it too, that he can finally share at least a little of this passion of his with me. My girlfriend just couldn't stop saying, "I can't believe how much I liked it".

I am going to see it again. I will buy the DVD. I will see the sequel, and would watch any series they spin out of this. Not only that, but I've decided to give the original Star Trek another try, to see if it finally clicks for me in a way it didn't in my youth. JJ Abrams did what my dad never did--he made me a convert (though I still can't promise I'll watch that Scott Bakula nonsense).
Thank you for that...
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Old May 11 2009, 04:20 AM   #1344
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Mike Farley wrote: View Post
Mutenroshi wrote: View Post
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Listen carefully when you see the film next time. There's a scene in sickbay -- I THINK when McCoy takes over CMO -- that as he heads offscreen, he calls out for Nurse Chapel.
Yes he does! I've seen the movie three times now and can't fucking wait to see it tonight in English for the first time!
AND she responds "Yes, Doctor". I wonder if it was Majel doing that one line?
I did hear that response too.

It would be cool if it were Majel but I doubt it.
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Old May 11 2009, 04:36 AM   #1345
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What makes this an alternate universe as oppose to a severe change in the timeline of this universe? Just because the writers have said it? I'm afraid not mate...
The writers are actually in a very good postion to say what happened in the movie since they wrote it. Fans, people posting on a message board, casual viewers...none of them has any say in what happens in the movie, only the people that made it do. And if the writers say the new movie is an alternate reality and the original reality is still out there untouched then how can we argue with them? It's their story.

And even if it were proven to be an alternate universe, that means one thing, the Star Trek franchise is dead, there is no more of the 'Prime Universe' as you describe it, only this new franchise in what you're describing as an alternate reality.
The "Prime" universe was already dead. The TOS crew are too old to make new movies, The TNG movies are over and done. DS9, VGR, and ENT were never going to return in any form.
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Old May 11 2009, 04:37 AM   #1346
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Well, Bacl, you are entitled to hate this movie. That is your choice about how you feel about it. However, if your opinion is right, then that means the vast majority of us here on this board are wrong about Star Trek XI.
What the fuck?

Question: Did you like the movie?

Person A: No, I did not like the movie.

Person B: Yes, I liked the movie.

Conclusion: Only one of these two people can be correct???

I did not like the movie. You did. We are both right. I did not realize personal opinion was a matter of majority rule.

Fuck this. "Grade and Discuss" ... So long as you agree with the vast majority. What is the bloody point?
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Old May 11 2009, 04:42 AM   #1347
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What makes this an alternate universe as oppose to a severe change in the timeline of this universe? Just because the writers have said it? I'm afraid not mate...
The writers are actually in a very good postion to say what happened in the movie since they wrote it. Fans, people posting on a message board, casual viewers...none of them has any say in what happens in the movie, only the people that made it do. And if the writers say the new movie is an alternate reality and the original reality is still out there untouched then how can we argue with them? It's their story.
I just want to quote this in case people glossed over it.
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Old May 11 2009, 04:51 AM   #1348
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These could have been any characters, in any science fiction setting. There was nothing Star Trek about this movie..
Any characters who:

Walk with an arrogant swagger and glance sidelong at attractive women.

Say things like, "dammit, I'm a doctor" and "are you out of your Vulcan mind?!"

Are Russian but, in contrast to the Russian accent, pronounce their "v's" as "w's."

Are fencing aficionados and of Asian decent.

Speak with a heavy Scottish brouge, fancies the liquor and says things like "I've given ya' all she got!"

Are emotionless half-breeds with burst-fits of emotion.

Yep.

These could've been ANY characters.
yeah i went today with enough people we took up a whole row.
and everyone said they did a great job of casting..
that you knew who these people were.

and these were all people like me except for one who grew up
watching first run tos.
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Old May 11 2009, 04:54 AM   #1349
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Well, Bacl, you are entitled to hate this movie. That is your choice about how you feel about it. However, if your opinion is right, then that means the vast majority of us here on this board are wrong about Star Trek XI.
What the fuck?

Question: Did you like the movie?

Person A: No, I did not like the movie.

Person B: Yes, I liked the movie.

Conclusion: Only one of these two people can be correct???

I did not like the movie. You did. We are both right. I did not realize personal opinion was a matter of majority rule.

Fuck this. "Grade and Discuss" ... So long as you agree with the vast majority. What is the bloody point?
Hey, if you do not like the movie, thats cool. But to say that its not Star Trek, well to me, when you say that, then you are saying that the rest of us whom like it do not know what we are talking about, in my opinion.
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Old May 11 2009, 05:06 AM   #1350
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Well, Bacl, you are entitled to hate this movie. That is your choice about how you feel about it. However, if your opinion is right, then that means the vast majority of us here on this board are wrong about Star Trek XI.
What the fuck?

Question: Did you like the movie?

Person A: No, I did not like the movie.

Person B: Yes, I liked the movie.

Conclusion: Only one of these two people can be correct???

I did not like the movie. You did. We are both right. I did not realize personal opinion was a matter of majority rule.

Fuck this. "Grade and Discuss" ... So long as you agree with the vast majority. What is the bloody point?
Hey, if you do not like the movie, thats cool. But to say that its not Star Trek, well to me, when you say that, then you are saying that the rest of us whom like it do not know what we are talking about, in my opinion.
Well, I am sorry if that's how my words came across, but I would never want to say that about you or anyone. I just didn't feel that this movie was Star Trek to me.

For me, Star Trek has always been about ideas, character, conflict, and what it means to be human. It was never about war, for me (again for me) Star Trek was a show about peace, and intellectual curiosity.

For me, this movie was about gunfights, and blowing up planets, and anger. Even Spock seemed angry, and bitter, and even kind of mean.

I always viewed Spock as a man of logic, pacifism, and spiritual calm. He was what we were heading towards as an evolutionary process. Not biological evolution, but mental evolution.

"The human journey is just begining..."

That's what I think of when I think of Star Trek.

I didn't see that in this movie. I'm glad people enjoyed it, but I did not. I just didn't. I'm sorry, but it is how I feel.
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