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Old May 10 2009, 03:31 AM   #1096
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He made the accusation. I want a definition of terms.
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Old May 10 2009, 03:31 AM   #1097
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And I know he's taken some heat, but I really did love Chekov in this. There's just something about the over-the-topness of his accent. I just wish they had him incorrectly attribute something to Russia.
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Hey, I like Chekov too. He's a bit more endearing to me than Walter Koening was with the original characterization. I love his eagerness to serve. He's a lot of fun, and yes, if he'd have made some terribly inaccurate claim of Russian ingenuity, I would have loved it, too.

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Old May 10 2009, 03:32 AM   #1098
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It's Paramount's final slaughtering of the golden goose, dumbed down to lowest common denominator to get the biggest bang and finally suck in that elusive mass audience that doesn't want to actually think about what they just saw, just go for a roller coaster ride and enjoy the buzz from the adrenaline rush, which was precisely what Roddenberry most feared would happen once he was gone.
I'd argue that this movie was done to "rope in" new casual fans. People who'll want to pop into the theater once every couple years to revisit this cast and universe. Or maybe get them interested in Trek, have them watch the reruns and/or DVDs and THEN get them roped into the bigger aspects of Trek.

Perhaps now that "he's got them" the next one will have a bigger, deeper storyline. This was the good, pure, uncut stuff the pusher gives you to get you pulled in. The next movie can be the stuff cut with plot and drama.
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Old May 10 2009, 03:34 AM   #1099
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This board makes for a fascinating sociological study of the fanbase.

Many of us still demand that Star Trek at least try and maintain a certain level of intelligence in the storytelling.

Others are willing to forgive even the most egregious boners so long as the result is an exciting movie.

Then we have still others who could be treated to a two-hour presentation of Leonard Nimoy's last colonoscopy and shout from the rooftops that it was the greatest Star Trek ever.

This last group is in full-throated ecstasy in this thread, and quite frankly, they scare me, because they're gonna take an arguably moribund franchise and take it right off the cliff Thelma & Louise style in their exuberance over this loud, flashy, and lobotomized Star Trek doppleganger.

So, I say again, Kool-Aid drinkers, enjoy the ride, 'cause it ain't gonna last. Your version doesn't have the integrity to hold up over time.
CRA, that is about enough of this sort of comment.

Referring to a whole group of other fans as "Kool-Aid drinkers", simply because they do not agree with YOU is WAY out of line.

And your comments made in posts after this are not much better. Like this one for example:

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Fascinating.

We've gone from "The Cage" being rejected by NBC for being "too cerebral" to a braindead popcorn flick made by a Michael Bay wannabe being hailed as our salvation.

Ever noticed how some rollercoasters aren't as much fun the second or third time you ride them?
I'm convinced you are not a real Star Trek fan or have never really watched 90% of Star Trek
It's clear that you're easily convinced of things that aren't even close to reality.

Like the notion that this movie was actually good.

I take you went back for a second helping of the Kool-Aid?
And this one:

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Many of us still demand that Star Trek at least try and maintain a certain level of intelligence in the storytelling.
By what right do you demand anything from the people who run the Star Trek franchise? It can't be based on your financial right. Without even knowing you I can guarantee that the total amount of money you've spent on Star Trek in your entire life essentially adds up to nothing in terms of Trek revenue. It can't be based on your creative right since you're not a contributing writer or artist. Nor do you have an owner's right since Trek is clearly owned by somebody else. So what is it then? Who exactly are you to demand anything?
As a self-respecting viewer and fan of this franchise, I demand to not have my intelligence insulted on a regular basis! That good enough for ya, Sparky!?!

I want you to STOP attacking other fans immediately. You have a beef with the film, you can post it, but you cannot attack or participate in name-calling toward other fans for their beliefs, likes and/or dislikes.

And to emphasize that point, you have a warning for trolling.

This weekend, there is zero tolerance for this sort of stuff in this forum.

Play nice, or be kicked out of the sandbox.
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Old May 10 2009, 03:36 AM   #1100
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As a self-respecting viewer and fan of this franchise, I demand to not have my intelligence insulted on a regular basis! That good enough for ya, Sparky!?!
No, it's not good enough. Not at all. Fans who make demands of people in the creative arts are pathetic. You act as if being entertained is a right, and that Star Trek is not living up to your demands. How dare you. If you're not happy with Star Trek in its current incarnation then simply walk away. Star Trek owes you nothing.

This thread is 55 pages long and you're throughout the bulk of it, bad-mouthing a film you haven't seen. Your impotent rants have become quite tiresome.
I DID SEE IT! READ MY REVIEW AND GET YOUR FUCKING FACTS STRAIGHT!
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Old May 10 2009, 03:36 AM   #1101
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(I don't think Pine quite "had" Shatner. But who really does?)
Kevin Pollack?

I thought the way Pine said "Bones!" at the end was Shatner-like
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Old May 10 2009, 03:39 AM   #1102
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As a self-respecting viewer and fan of this franchise, I demand to not have my intelligence insulted on a regular basis! That good enough for ya, Sparky!?!
No, it's not good enough. Not at all. Fans who make demands of people in the creative arts are pathetic. You act as if being entertained is a right, and that Star Trek is not living up to your demands. How dare you. If you're not happy with Star Trek in its current incarnation then simply walk away. Star Trek owes you nothing.

This thread is 55 pages long and you're throughout the bulk of it, bad-mouthing a film you haven't seen. Your impotent rants have become quite tiresome.
I DID SEE IT! READ MY REVIEW AND GET YOUR FUCKING FACTS STRAIGHT!
While in April's defense, yes he did see it, I think you hit a nerve there Gilligan.
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Old May 10 2009, 03:40 AM   #1103
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(I don't think Pine quite "had" Shatner. But who really does?)
Kevin Pollack?

I thought the way Pine said "Bones!" at the end was Shatner-like
Kevin Pollack's Shatner is great, but Chris Pine took away the campy edge and left us with awesome. At least, I think he did.

Something else this movie has done for me: Made me fall in love with the Original Series all over again. I have always loved it, but it's almost like a second honeymoon. It's wonderful, and now I'm saving to buy the TOS seasons on DVD.

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Old May 10 2009, 03:42 AM   #1104
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Old May 10 2009, 03:43 AM   #1105
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(I don't think Pine quite "had" Shatner. But who really does?)
Kevin Pollack?

I thought the way Pine said "Bones!" at the end was Shatner-like
Kevin Pollack's Shatner is great, but Chris Pine took away the campy edge and left us with awesome. At least, I think he did.

Something else this movie has done for me: Made me fall in love with the Original Series all over again. I have always loved it, but it's almost like a second honeymoon. It's wonderful, and now I'm saving to buy the TOS seasons on DVD.

J.
My excuse for coughing up the bucks for blu-ray just eventuated...
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Old May 10 2009, 03:48 AM   #1106
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To aussie: Cool, I wondered what you'd think of it.
I was sitting two seats from aussie (his first viewing and my third) and was worried he was going to eat a chair if he didn't approve of the events of the second half. Thankfully he was happy enough.

I can't believe he kept himself totally spoiler free for the last two years. Stoic!
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Old May 10 2009, 03:50 AM   #1107
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I DID SEE IT! READ MY REVIEW AND GET YOUR FUCKING FACTS STRAIGHT!
I read your review. It was incompetent, irrational, anxiety-ridden trivia-fixated nonsense. There was no indication there that you understand enough about movies to write a good review of a film that you liked.
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Old May 10 2009, 03:51 AM   #1108
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While in April's defense, yes he did see it, I think you hit a nerve there Gilligan.
I think Dark Gilligan was told what to do by Captain Robert April Prime from the future about how to rile up his younger version.
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Old May 10 2009, 03:53 AM   #1109
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Kevin Pollack?

I thought the way Pine said "Bones!" at the end was Shatner-like
Kevin Pollack's Shatner is great, but Chris Pine took away the campy edge and left us with awesome. At least, I think he did.

Something else this movie has done for me: Made me fall in love with the Original Series all over again. I have always loved it, but it's almost like a second honeymoon. It's wonderful, and now I'm saving to buy the TOS seasons on DVD.

J.
My excuse for coughing up the bucks for blu-ray just eventuated...
Well, when Star Trek comes out on BluRay, I will be buying it ...and a BluRay player.

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Old May 10 2009, 03:55 AM   #1110
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...I want to weigh in on the "Kirk promoted too quickly" argument - When Pike is talking to Kirk, he mentions that Kirk's intellectual numbers are off the charts. He's a prodigy. He then is given command of a starship, attacks when everyone else retreats, and SAVES THE GOD DAMN FEDERATION! ... I have absolutely no problem, after the events depicted, with Kirk made Captain. HE'S FRIGGIN' JAMES T. KIRK! Buy into your own mythos!
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The chararacters feel more comfortable, somehow. I find them easier to relate to here. They act like, well... real people. They have emotions and flaws and issues - past Trek series didn't always handle that very well. The main characters had a tendancy to be too pefect or too cerebral...
I think the juxtaposition of these two remarks is... fascinating.

Kirk can either be a superhuman prodigy who's so damn brilliant he leapfrogs over every officer in Starfleet, or he can be a regular, relatable guy with flaws. But he sure can't be both at the same time.

Personally, I thought TOS split that difference far better than this movie did. Kirk was obviously smart, talented, and an intuitive leader. At the same time, though, he suffered from self-doubt. He had insecurities. He was relatable. And while he'd been promoted to starship captain at a younger age than anyone else, he'd still achieved it the hard way—the real way—by climbing up through the ranks over a decade, and proving himself on repeated missions under a variety of circumstances.

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I thought Kirk was great, as were Scotty, Bones & Sulu. I had a bit of a problem with the Sylar thing, but I recognise that he was bloddy good as Spock. Chekov's accent was overdone, and Scotty was too skinny. I was very dissapointed with the layout of the bridge - It should have been more like TOS bridge, or TNG. I didnt like the Spock/Uhura relationship thing, but I understand they have to cater for the modern generation. While I dont like the destruction of Vulcan, it was a shock and did add to the movie. Nero was a pretty poor villain. And at times there was too much of a Staw Wars feel about the space battles. I loved the references to the series - such as the deep trench from Enterprise, Pike's wheelchair etc.

Overall, the movie turned me from a hater to a lover !! It could have been better, but it was excellent.
This is a bit odd. Aside from the cast (which almost everyone agrees was pretty terrific, myself included), you describe almost nothing but criticism for the film... but then you say you loved it. I just don't get that.

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The big problem ultimately for me is Kirk. They get a perfectly fine, energetic, handsome young actor to play him and then forget to give him any sort of story... What did he learn? Why should we believe he's an extraordinary leader? The story assumes these things but never shows them to the audience. In fact, Kirk was largely written for laughs, and yet the film was still constructed as his rise to leadership. This disjunction leaves a huge hole in the tale. When Kirk receives his command at the end - who cares? We didn't see him earn it... nor did we see his values - his belief in exploration, honor, mercy and compassion - that was turned into a joke.
I completely agree. The writers are trying to have their cake and eat it too. They want us to accept this Kirk as a new character with a new background and an unknown future... yet at the same time they're leveraging the audience's affection for the previous version, a Kirk who had proven to be "a great man," as even Nero acknowledged. Taken on its own, his character arc just doesn't add up to anything.
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