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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

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Old May 10 2009, 02:46 AM   #1066
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Fascinating.

We've gone from "The Cage" being rejected by NBC for being "too cerebral" to a braindead popcorn flick made by a Michael Bay wannabe being hailed as our salvation.

Ever noticed how some rollercoasters aren't as much fun the second or third time you ride them?
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Old May 10 2009, 02:48 AM   #1067
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Fascinating.

We've gone from "The Cage" being rejected by NBC for being "too cerebral" to a braindead popcorn flick made by a Michael Bay wannabe being hailed as our salvation.

Ever noticed how some rollercoasters aren't as much fun the second or third time you ride them?
Actually I saw it again today and loved it even more.


It's your posts that are braindead, not the film.
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Old May 10 2009, 02:51 AM   #1068
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^ And this isn't baiting...how?
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Old May 10 2009, 02:52 AM   #1069
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Fascinating.

We've gone from "The Cage" being rejected by NBC for being "too cerebral" to a braindead popcorn flick made by a Michael Bay wannabe being hailed as our salvation.

Ever noticed how some rollercoasters aren't as much fun the second or third time you ride them?
Actually I saw it again today and loved it even more.


It's your posts that are braindead, not the film.
Exactly so.

The "too cerebral" story was a bit of self-serving mythmaking on Roddenberry's part, BTW, which he honed in retelling it to college audiences that he intended to flatter. If you read Justman and Solow's account of how Star Trek was developed, sold and produced you get a much more detailed and realistic account of why NBC rejected the pilot and why they commissioned a second one. Their problems - and Paramount's - with Roddenberry were never that he was way too bright or forward-thinking for them.
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Old May 10 2009, 02:53 AM   #1070
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We've gone from "The Cage" being rejected by NBC for being "too cerebral"
Desilu's reaction was to make a second pilot that would appeal to a wider audience and be less cerebral.
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Old May 10 2009, 02:53 AM   #1071
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Captain Robert April wrote: View Post
Fascinating.

We've gone from "The Cage" being rejected by NBC for being "too cerebral" to a braindead popcorn flick made by a Michael Bay wannabe being hailed as our salvation.

Ever noticed how some rollercoasters aren't as much fun the second or third time you ride them?
I'm convinced you are not a real Star Trek fan or have never really watched 90% of Star Trek
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Old May 10 2009, 02:54 AM   #1072
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This board makes for a fascinating sociological study of the fanbase.
You're absolutely right. It's been absolutely fascinating to see just how utterly deranged the canon freaks really are. Just fascinating.
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Old May 10 2009, 02:56 AM   #1073
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We've gone from "The Cage" being rejected by NBC for being "too cerebral"
Desilu's reaction was to make a second pilot that would appeal to a wider audience and be less cerebral.
But they didn't go braindead stupid with "Where No Man Has Gone Before".
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Old May 10 2009, 02:59 AM   #1074
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I thought Scotty and his alien tag along was funny. Scotty even brought him along at the end

"GET DOWN!"

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Old May 10 2009, 02:59 AM   #1075
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Fascinating.

We've gone from "The Cage" being rejected by NBC for being "too cerebral" to a braindead popcorn flick made by a Michael Bay wannabe being hailed as our salvation.

Ever noticed how some rollercoasters aren't as much fun the second or third time you ride them?
I'm convinced you are not a real Star Trek fan or have never really watched 90% of Star Trek
It's clear that you're easily convinced of things that aren't even close to reality.

Like the notion that this movie was actually good.

I take you went back for a second helping of the Kool-Aid?
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Old May 10 2009, 02:59 AM   #1076
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No they didn't like the Cage because it was boring. There was not charisma with that crew. Nothing to do with the intelligence level. If anything the crew from The Cage was dumber not smarter.
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Old May 10 2009, 03:00 AM   #1077
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Many of us still demand that Star Trek at least try and maintain a certain level of intelligence in the storytelling.
By what right do you demand anything from the people who run the Star Trek franchise? It can't be based on your financial right. Without even knowing you I can guarantee that the total amount of money you've spent on Star Trek in your entire life essentially adds up to nothing in terms of Trek revenue. It can't be based on your creative right since you're not a contributing writer or artist. Nor do you have an owner's right since Trek is clearly owned by somebody else. So what is it then? Who exactly are you to demand anything?
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Old May 10 2009, 03:02 AM   #1078
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The NBC party line was that 'The Cage' was too "cerebral"...the unspoken reason, however, dealt more with the manners and morals of mid-1960s America. NBC was very concerned with the "eroticism" of the pilot and what it foreshadowed for the ensuing series. Their knowledge of Roddenberry's attitude toward, and relationship with, the fairer sex didn't help...

...but Mort Werner did not forsake us...[Mort] had a complaint: "Herb, you guys gave us a problem...I didn't think Desilu was capable of making Star Trek, so when we looked over the pilot stories you gave us we chose the most complicated and difficult one of the bunch. We recognize now that it wasn't necessarily a story that properly showcased Star Trek's potential. So the reason the pilot didn't sell was my fault, not yours. You guys just did your job too well. And I screwed up."

Inside Star Trek, pp. 59-60


One of the things that annoyed and concerned both studio and network people was the fact that Roddenberry had cast an unsuitable actor as "Number One" based on his personal relationship with her - that's the general meaning of the reference in the above to "Roddenberry's attitudes." The Desilu folks in particular were shocked at the irresponsibility of it, and it sure didn't reassure NBC's people about the judgment of the guy who would be running the show if it were picked up.

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Old May 10 2009, 03:04 AM   #1079
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Gene Roddenberry was a part-time journeyman TV writer, selling to the occasional show. He needed money. He needed financial security. He came up with this "Star Trek" thing and happened to luck out with Desilu.

All the "joining hands" philosophy stuff was not his main goal. Continued employment was. Sure, many episodes were darned good entertainment. A few even sneaked in a worthy message or two. I was hooked from the show's original debut.

And the franchise was good enough for me to want to pitch to it for ten years down at Paramount. And to Pocket Books.

But it wasn't the end-all be-all of television. It was a job that occasionally turned out pretty darned good. And that's all ANY TV writer can wish for.

And I hope the new Star Trek continues to provide lots of work for writers, artists and technicians ... and more entertainment for us.

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Old May 10 2009, 03:05 AM   #1080
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No they didn't like the Cage because it was boring. There was not charisma with that crew. Nothing to do with the intelligence level. If anything the crew from The Cage was dumber not smarter.
Do you even know the history of this show?
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