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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

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Excellent 706 62.70%
Above Average 213 18.92%
Average 84 7.46%
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Poor 77 6.84%
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Old May 10 2009, 12:40 AM   #1036
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darKush..
there is a reference to a carrdasian poet on vulcan close to the "enterprise " time period in deep space nine.
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Old May 10 2009, 12:41 AM   #1037
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I'm glad that Uhura finally got a canon first name. I had been spoiled about the Spock relationship so it didn't throw me off too much. I'm not quite sure what to make of it, though it does add a new dimension to the character that I enjoy. I also liked her interaction with Kirk. Saldana can't fill out a miniskirt like Nichelle Nichols, but I think her Uhura got to more of a part of the crew than I had expected.
That happened in Star Trek V. Scotty refers to here as Nyota
I didn't remember that. Thanks.
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Old May 10 2009, 12:48 AM   #1038
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I'm glad that Uhura finally got a canon first name. I had been spoiled about the Spock relationship so it didn't throw me off too much. I'm not quite sure what to make of it, though it does add a new dimension to the character that I enjoy. I also liked her interaction with Kirk. Saldana can't fill out a miniskirt like Nichelle Nichols, but I think her Uhura got to more of a part of the crew than I had expected.
That happened in Star Trek V. Scotty refers to here as Nyota
I didn't remember that. Thanks.
I still don't remember that (and it's my second favorite Trek movie!). What scene did that take place in, if I may ask?

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Old May 10 2009, 12:58 AM   #1039
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That happened in Star Trek V. Scotty refers to here as Nyota
I didn't remember that. Thanks.
I still don't remember that (and it's my second favorite Trek movie!). What scene did that take place in, if I may ask?

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Near the beginning when they kiss.
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Old May 10 2009, 01:05 AM   #1040
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Saw it at the press screening, and all I can say is that I'm oh, so glad that I didn't have to pay for it.

Suffice it to say that I was massively underwhelmed. Plot contrivances, shaky camera, even in the CGI stuff, cringe inducing dialogue, a "Look at MEEE!" glory shot of the ship every five minutes, all capped off with a closing credit sequence ripped off from the Lost in Space movie....well, let's just say that just about everything I said before I saw it, stands.

Some of the more minor annoyances:

Pink skinned Vulcans Y'know, JJ, there was a reason they painted Nimoy yellow way back when, and it's because of that green Vulcan blood.

The Kelvin 800 people made it off, after getting the crap kicked out it, which killed how many? And this is supposed to be a pre-TOS ship? Sorry, but that bucket reeked more of TNG, both in capacity and in the crew complement, which apparently included families, another TNG contrivance that didn't make it past "Generations" (the Enterprise-E doesn't have families on board). The interiors also indicated a much more
massive ship, on the order of a Galaxy class starship.

The technology Compared to TOS, most it, quite frankly, sucked. The front window/viewscreen was blurry and distorted, the transporter didn't work half as well as even the NX-01's, and the phasers, both shipboard and handheld, all behaved more like Star Wars blasters and turbolasers than their TOS predecessors. And need I mention Sulu's automatically unfolding katana, which helped him in his dashing impression of Luke Skywalker in the barge scene in "Return of the Jedi"? Or how the ships going to warp bore an uncanny resemblence to SW ships going to hyperspace? Should George Lucas be flattered or should he be calling his lawyers?

Delta Vega As an astute poster over on trekmovie.com pointed out, the name of the neighboring planet that Spock was stranded on really didn't have any bearing on the story, but by invoking the name of Delta Vega, the writers shined a big bright spotlight on this bit, making it quite clear that, deep down, they don't know what they're doing. A big part of "honoring canon" is getting the details right; otherwise, it's just meaningless name dropping and pandering.

Chekov Excuse me, but exactly when did Chekov turn into Wesley Crusher? Also, at age seventeen, he should be starting his first year at the Academy, not already be a commissioned officer. But then, these clowns clearly don't know a thing about military protocol, since they also take a guy who was a cadet facing some serious charges a couple of days earlier and give him command of their biggest and most advanced ship. At the very least, it's clear they wouldn't know the chain of command if someone came up and beat 'em about the head and shoulders with it.

And my complaint about Spock still remains: He knows how to achieve a time warp, and he knows precisely what happened when, why it happened, and how to circumvent those events. So why doesn't he get a ship, do a few time jumps, and fix everything that got screwed up? He could not only restore the timeline, but finally cement a lasting peace between the Romulan Empire and the Federation.

So why doesn't he do this?

Because Spock has to have a sudden attack of the stupids in order for JJ to get his own Star Trek universe to run amok in.

Urban was good as McCoy, Pine was okay as Kirk, can't really grade Greenwood as Pike since we never got that much from Jeffery Hunter to form a basis of comparison, but taken on it's own, he gives a good performance, Yelchin was downright embarrassing as Chekov, Quinto just seemed to be PMSing all the time, and the rest of the cast was just sort of there.

The ship still looks stupid, and the decision to build it on the surface is the singlemost idiotic move in the entire history of the franchise. It didn't help that the "Riverside shipyards" were clearly a present day industrial facility, either an oil refinery or electrical substation. Engineering looking alternately like a water treatment plant and, like it is in real life, a brewery, only adds insult to injury.

The choice of "Crap on a stick" isn't available, so I voted "Poor".

I have to agree with everything you have stated. I was someone who was willing to give this film a chance. I wasnt to concerned about strict continuity adhersion, especially concerning visuals, but this film just felt wrong. I knew the timeline would be altered, but it just didnt work for me. I gave it a chance and was very unimpressed. I went in with the notion that I was going to view this as a standalone movie and not make comparisons, which is hard to do, but it was just MEH for me. Shatner shouldnt feel to bad about not being in the film.

I dont know why we even needed a time altering movie, especially if the altered timeline remains. Why not just start from scratch????? Just a complete reboot without this excuse of a film.

This film just seemed rushed and the visuals were absoulutely to quick and blurry. The new Enterprise is still a bad design for me and has none of the majestic feel the original has.(Yes Im comparing but I didnt like the design to start with)Scotty, Uhura, Chekov, and Young Spock were horribly scripted. All the rest of the Principles were fine in that respect.

So I have to give this an Average. Probably better than it deserves. Im am surprised that many think this is an excellent film. I will definitely not be to quick to see the second installment.
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Old May 10 2009, 01:07 AM   #1041
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4: The entire escape-the-black-hole sequence at the end did not feel justified, specifically because the only reason there was a close call to begin with was because Kirk decided to volley a few rounds at Nero's already doomed ship. This was a sloppy moment in the screenplay.
I saw this one more as a nice play with the Trek-typical reset-button.
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Old May 10 2009, 01:15 AM   #1042
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I thought it was great.

Only odd bit was the Star Trek theme at the end. Felt really jarring in compared with the rest of the soundtrack for some reason.

No, no, the Star Trek theme at the end is perfectly logical: Kirk is now the Enterprise Captain, and that's where the ST saga begin (as we knew it in the first TV series ). It's a genius idea to introduce the ST theme at the end.
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Old May 10 2009, 01:18 AM   #1043
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The characters were pretty on point outside of a few key differences. Kirk was a rebel not the pretty disciplined well polished officer that only bent rules when he knew it was right to. This was a rebel Kirk.
You have to consider the impact of the opening scene. He lost his father before he ever knew him. Many classic time travel tales spoke of the huge impact you could make on history if you did the smallest thing. In this case, we have a futuristic space ship from a long forgotten race (connected to Spock) who kills the father of a future hero of the federation. In the first few days of this timeline, Spock loses his mother and his home.

I think you could explain a more rebellious Kirk and a more emotional Spock based on these events.
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Old May 10 2009, 01:22 AM   #1044
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Did no one found difficult to believe the two Spock in the same scene at the end? I mean, don't we break the time paradox rules, there? Or did i missed a logic explanation in the movie?
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Old May 10 2009, 01:34 AM   #1045
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I didn't really mind the two Spocks.. when you accept time travel, you accept all kinds of wackiness. Of course it was a bit weird but whatever.
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Old May 10 2009, 01:39 AM   #1046
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This board makes for a fascinating sociological study of the fanbase.

Many of us still demand that Star Trek at least try and maintain a certain level of intelligence in the storytelling.

Others are willing to forgive even the most egregious boners so long as the result is an exciting movie.

Then we have still others who could be treated to a two-hour presentation of Leonard Nimoy's last colonoscopy and shout from the rooftops that it was the greatest Star Trek ever.

This last group is in full-throated ecstasy in this thread, and quite frankly, they scare me, because they're gonna take an arguably moribund franchise and take it right off the cliff Thelma & Louise style in their exuberance over this loud, flashy, and lobotomized Star Trek doppleganger.

So, I say again, Kool-Aid drinkers, enjoy the ride, 'cause it ain't gonna last. Your version doesn't have the integrity to hold up over time.
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Old May 10 2009, 01:43 AM   #1047
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Gee, whiz ... you mean all we sheep got taken again? Wow! How do they keep doing that? Darn. I thought I had a great time, but it turns out I was deceived. Thanks so much for setting all of us straight.

Sheesh.

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Old May 10 2009, 01:48 AM   #1048
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This board makes for a fascinating sociological study of the fanbase.

Many of us still demand that Star Trek at least try and maintain a certain level of intelligence in the storytelling.
You can see an example of that at your local cinema; just buy a ticket for Star Trek and enjoy a great two hours of movie-magic.

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Others are willing to forgive even the most egregious boners so long as the result is an exciting movie.
'... but where is the heavy handed massage.'
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Then we have still others who could be treated to a two-hour presentation of Leonard Nimoy's last colonoscopy and shout from the rooftops that it was the greatest Star Trek ever.

This last group is in full-throated ecstasy in this thread, and quite frankly, they scare me, because they're gonna take an arguably moribund franchise and take it right off the cliff Thelma & Louise style in their exuberance over this loud, flashy, and lobotomized Star Trek doppleganger.

So, I say again, Kool-Aid drinkers, enjoy the ride, 'cause it ain't gonna last. Your version doesn't have the integrity to hold up over time.
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Old May 10 2009, 01:49 AM   #1049
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So... with Vulcan now destroyed, who will stop the "supernovava" in the future?

presumably Vulcan 2.0 will already be established and the cycle will start all over.
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Old May 10 2009, 01:49 AM   #1050
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it was such a great movie it makes me want to see it again
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