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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
Excellent 706 62.70%
Above Average 213 18.92%
Average 84 7.46%
Below Average 46 4.09%
Poor 77 6.84%
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Old May 8 2009, 03:44 PM   #631
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I voted Excellent. I loved it.

I only have 2 very tiny nits to pick. The car stealing scene was cheesy and the ice monster chase was pointless and fake looking.

THAT'S IT.

The fucking movie is amazing. I consider myself a hardcore trekker. It is a good movie. Period.

My two non trekkie pals loved it. One is 25, the other 32.
The Ice Monster chase, and the little one being eaten by the other just screamed ILM, Star Wars BS effects for the effect sake.


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Old May 8 2009, 03:44 PM   #632
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Long story short: I really wanted to like it, but I wound up deeply disappointed. This was not only not good Star Trek, it just wasn't a good movie, period.
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I think your review nailed it. This film is just as bad judged as regular cinema fare as it is judged as part of the Star Trek franchise. I know most people seem to disagree and find that this two hours of loosely strung together one-liners and explosions ranks among the best of Star Trek. I'm sure Paramount and Nokia couldn't be happier.
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Old May 8 2009, 03:45 PM   #633
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No Nurse Chapel, Yeoman Rand or Number One. I know they want to get back to basics, but Chapel and Rand at least were big players in the original series and deserved some screentime. I really hope they appear in Star Trek XII.
The writers made the right decision to leave out Nurse Chapel and Yeoman Rand since there is so much that a new viewer of Trek can take in this film. However, I do agree that they should appear in STXII. If not, I will be severely disappointed.
Listen carefully when you see the film next time. There's a scene in sickbay -- I THINK when McCoy takes over CMO -- that as he heads offscreen, he calls out for Nurse Chapel.
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Well, Chapel IS in the movie. If only mentioned by name
I'll be on the lookout next time. I seem to remember some blurb from a few weeks back about a blonde actress playing a nurse, but I forgot about it and didn't look out for anything when I actually saw the movie.
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Old May 8 2009, 03:48 PM   #634
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I think these are really good points, and I agree completely. People are now in the "if you didn't like it you're a canon nazi and didn't get it" mode, which I think is unfair. My quibble with the movie can really be distilled into the above points. I do get it, it's just hard to feel the same connection to an alternate universe Trek as opposed to the original Trek universe. I think this is a valid reaction to the film.
This I can understand. I think the "knee jerk defense" reaction has come from months of "It violates canon!" and "They've wiped out everything we ever loved!" posts. Clearly neither of these are true (and your post reflects that), but since we've been so saturated with that, it's easy to just suddenly react without really carefully reading the posts. Not defending, just observing.
I didn't see or read ANY spoilers for this film. Not one. So for me, it was a LOT to take in all at once. I didn't have the benefit of several months or weeks to digest the new direction the movie was going to take. I understand the frustration of having to hear these comments for months before the film even opened and can see why the "deal with it, already" crowd is so strong here. Having not been prepped on the alternate universe thing, however...I'm still reeling! Give me time.

Oh, and: Sulu and the samurai sword scene. That was AWESOME, and I absolutely LOVED it.
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Old May 8 2009, 03:49 PM   #635
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I just realized that every officer in Starfleet has the arrowhead on their uniform. In TOS, every ship had their own crest and the arrowhead was only used on the Enterprise.
Not quite true. Especially in the first year that practice was spotty and inconsistent in TOS. In "Court Martial" Kirk chats in a bar with two officers who are clearly not assigned to the Enterprise ("I haven't seen you since the Vulcanian expedition") but who wear the arrowhead.
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Old May 8 2009, 03:51 PM   #636
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I just realized that every officer in Starfleet has the arrowhead on their uniform. In TOS, every ship had their own crest and the arrowhead was only used on the Enterprise.
Not quite true. Especially in the first year that practice was spotty and inconsistent in TOS. In "Court Martial" Kirk chats in a bar with two officers who are clearly not assigned to the Enterprise ("I haven't seen you since the Vulcanian expedition") but who wear the arrowhead.
Guess we can write the different crests off as a temporary thing around the time of TOS then.
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Old May 8 2009, 03:55 PM   #637
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You know, I didn't notice a single bar-code scanner during the entire film - I know they were all over the place, but I didn't notice.

In fact, none of the complaints I had before seeing the film - about the score, or Engineering, or the bridge - bothered me a bit while I was watching it. I was just so there.
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Old May 8 2009, 04:00 PM   #638
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In fact, none of the complaints I had before seeing the film - about the score, or Engineering, or the bridge - bothered me a bit while I was watching it. I was just so there.
Thats another thing - the score was brilliant! I've been listening to some of it in YouTube today - just some really nice work.
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Old May 8 2009, 04:13 PM   #639
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Loved the movie. My only complaint was that the action was so unrelenting. It was almost TOO MUCH. I started to feel a little sensory overload and I think it kept me from taking in how truly awesome what I was watching was. The brief respite when Kirk meets old Spock on Delta Vega was VERY welcome but it didn't last very long -- they were up and running with more action almost immediately. I'm not trying to argue in favor of endless talking heads but I would have been nice to have a few quiet scenes just for contrast! Still, when the worst thing you can think of to say about a movie is it was too freakin' exciting, that's a good thing!

As for the rest, yeah, I could quibble about some things. How'd they know Nero was a Romulan if they'd never seen Romulans? Spock and Uhura, huh? Why didn't Nero use red matter to destroy the star that was going to destroy Romulus instead of going after Federation planets? But you know what -- WHO CARES? The Onion video that was linked to earlier in this thread hit the nail on the head. Everybody should go watch it.

http://www.theonion.com/content/vide...rce=videoembed

I prefer to concentrate on how much butt this movie kicked and leave it at that!
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Old May 8 2009, 04:16 PM   #640
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I can see that with one or two exceptions, this forum is full of muppets and traitors and brain-dead mindless idiots who point at the flashing lights and say 'Ooh, pretty!' so I see no reason to bother posting here anymore.
Come on

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Old May 8 2009, 04:16 PM   #641
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When I first heard about the "straight to Captain" promotion out of the Academy I initially wondered how that would work, but after seeing the film it makes sense. Saving the planet Earth, and possibly the entire Federation would be a pretty special and spectacular start to any cadet's career, so I suppose that would warrant Kirk jumping up the career ladder a bit earlier than he otherwise might have.
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Old May 8 2009, 04:23 PM   #642
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As a kid, I grew up watching TOS first run, and have been a fan, a hard core fan, for these nearly 43 years and...I liked this movie, it was exciting...sorry, but what was also exciting was that my 13 year old who had NEVER been a trek fan at all went with me and enjoyed it and the fact that he was asking questions afterward shows that this Trek will resonate with those outside the franchise while in my opinion it remains true to the essential core of the characters and themes us old timers love, woven into a new canvas that is accessible to all in 2009.

One thing that struck me as I was sitting in the theater looking at all the iPods and iPhones, was just how hard it must have been to update the look of this and still keep the spirit of the old alive, argue all you want, and I love the old designs as much as anyone, but this HAD to be visually relevant for todays audience, it HAD to look like our future, not 1966's...
As a kid who jumped on board at the nd of the original run, I totally agree with what you say.

My sons (18 and 19) enjoyed it and couldn't wait to see it.
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Old May 8 2009, 04:25 PM   #643
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I can see that with one or two exceptions, this forum is full of muppets and traitors and brain-dead mindless idiots who point at the flashing lights and say 'Ooh, pretty!' so I see no reason to bother posting here anymore.

well don't let the door hit ya . . .

*traitor - but only a fan for 30 years talkin' here*

I really liked the shiny flashing lights. and the shiny new Spock.
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Old May 8 2009, 04:28 PM   #644
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When I first heard about the "straight to Captain" promotion out of the Academy I initially wondered how that would work, but after seeing the film it makes sense. Saving the planet Earth, and possibly the entire Federation would be a pretty special and spectacular start to any cadet's career, so I suppose that would warrant Kirk jumping up the career ladder a bit earlier than he otherwise might have.
He'd certainly be commended for what he did, but cadet to captain? I still think it's a bit much. Then again, it does play into the more simplistic "Power Rangers" tone I always thought the movie had.

Sure, give a bunch of kids colorful costumes and a cool ship to battle evil. Why not?
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Old May 8 2009, 04:28 PM   #645
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One teeny tiny little bit of nitpicking (hey, I stood in line for an hour even though I bought my tickets three weeks in advance, lol I'm entitled to one!)

In The Wrath of Khan, Spock recalls that Kirk took the Kobayashi Maru 3 times, and it's revealed that he finally "beat it" by cheating...also, as Spock is dying, he tells Kirk that he "never took the Kobayashi Maru..."

So in Star Trek, true to canon, Kirk attempts the Kobayashi Maru a third time, and this time he beats it, again by cheating (reprogramming the subroutine, we all know the story)...and yet it is noted that Spock has run the test for the past four years (I never heard them say that he actually invented the test, just that he had been in charge of running it)

At Kirk's academic trial, Spock confronts him and berates him for not accepting the premise of the test...yet how is it not hypocritical that Spock, according to TWOK, has never even takent the test himself? How can he criticize Kirk? And just how likely is it that a cadet (or commander, or whatever Spock was in 2258) would be placed in charge of running a test that he has never taken?

I know...I'm grasping for straws here...I reallly liked this film, but this just came to me...
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