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Old May 8 2009, 05:07 AM   #451
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Re: This is not your father's Star Trek.

True. I hope they will allow classic Star Trek to continue in novels.
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Old May 8 2009, 05:07 AM   #452
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I also wish they had spelled it Niro. Why use the name Nero? Kind of weak.
Er ... Nero/Rome. Rome/Romulus.

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Old May 8 2009, 05:08 AM   #453
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I think for many younger trek fans, this new film is something we feel connected to culturally and emotionally. Pine and I are the same age. I grew up watching TNG every Sunday night from the first season on, but I just took Trek on TV for granted for a long time. I think with Enterprise's end, I was sad and saw no future for Trek, but, at least for me, this new film is a reason to be excited and involved with Trek again.
I'm also a younger Trek fan and I feel about zero connection towards the Abrams Trek. I have very found memories of TNG, Deep Space Nine, and the various games. The MMO coming out eventually actually excites me, as does the thought of Dominion or Borg being eventual playable characters. What does not thrill me, however, is the seeming lack of a philosophical or otherwise intellectual core within the new trek movie. While there have been some episodes that were primarily action based, the action was not the totality of the series. Even with the movies, with perhaps the Wrath of Khan and First Contact being the most action based, had a message. Wrath of Khan touched upon revenge and madness, while First Contact addressed the nature of fear and overcoming such. From what I can gather the new trek movie has no such message, but I would love to see someone really analyze the movie and come up with one, as it would greatly improve the movie in my eyes.

I also do feel somewhat patronized by the nature of the new trek and how it is supposedly marketed to younger viewers. I'm a twenty four year old male, and while I may be a bit more philosophical than the typical sort, I feel somewhat offended that this is Abrams view of my generation. It has an overall more Star Warsy characteristic to it, and while I also enjoy Star Wars, I believe that there is real, although not certain, danger in doing so. You run the risk of losing the soul of Trek, the tendency to ask questions about the human condition and the ramifications of things ranging from gender roles to imperialism. If Star Trek in it's "new" form were to turn into more of a space opera operation akin to Star Wars, I don't think it would have as much appeal. We have Star Wars for Star Wars, correct? If the younger generation are going to define what Trek is by the movie and its sequels, just as I judged Trek by TNG, what does that mean for the future perception of Star Trek? If it becomes a mere space opera without the trappings of a more intellectual brand of sci-fi, I feel we will have lost what was special about Star Trek.
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Old May 8 2009, 05:09 AM   #454
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I saw it. Now I can finally read all of the spoilery stuff posted here. I hope to get though it by the time Star Trek XII comes out.

It's Showtime!

I bought my ticket on Monday and spent the rest of the week dreading today. Why? I didn't want to sit in a crowded theatre. I spent a little more money and got a ticket at a larger theatre, but still... There's that concern. Anyhoo, The start time was 7pm, so I made sure I arrived at 6pm but ended up in a line anyway. I was close to the front and watched it get pretty long as more people trickled in. Some of them were even dressed up in starfleet uniforms, TOS and TNG style. There were even a few pretty hot ladies in the skirt uniforms. Oddly enough, no one in the line acknowleged the folks in uniform. When I finally went into the theatre, I got myself a good seat and despite the long line, the theatre wasn't crowded. I had my space. I was relieved. This was going to be a good movie-going experience. Eventually the lights dimmed and I was watching Star Trek.

My Opinion

I saw the first official showing and I'm still the 110th person to vote.

My grade? Above Average. Looks like I'm in the minority too. I debated what grade to give this as I drove home and couldn't bring myself to give it an 'Excellent' eventhough I wanted to. It was a really fun Star Trek movie with a blockbuster feel, but I wasn't totally happy with everything. Here's what I liked and didn't like...

The Good

- As mentioned, they did good giving Trek a summer blockbuster feel. This is the first time in a long time that Trek has felt this way. The last few movies felt more like Berman products than good Trek movies or big budget films.

- Loved most of the characters and the performances. I'll go into more detail below.

- Loved the colorful Power Rangers-style production designs. Yes, I said "Power Rangers". Kids in colorful costumes battling evil with cool tech? Hey, that's what the movie looked like that to me.

- Loved the cinematography. The lens flares didn't bother me in the least. They really added some flair to the movie.

- They actually worked "Sabotage" by The Beastie Boys into a Star Trek movie.

- Destroying Vulcan was a big and gutsy move. I mean WOW! That's big stuff. Downplayed too much, but still big and I'll give em credit for doing it even if the execution wasn't grand enough.

The Bad

- Despite loving the ride, the story wasn't memorable. With the complicated time travel plot, it didn't strike me as great drama, great science fiction or great Trek. I wonder if it'll confuse the average movie-goer who thought this would be a good foray into Trek.

- When the movie was over, I found myself wishing the story had more of that exploring of strange new worlds feel that TOS had. I did like the traditional Captain Kirk showdown at the end though.

- The origin story of how everyone got together was too rushed and put together poorly. And what's up with Cadet Kirk getting command of the Enterprise right away? Still, I'll cut 'em a wee bit of slack because a lot of it was funny and well performed.

- It didn't have the most memorable soundtrack. Some of the other Trek movies had better ones.

The Ugly

- No Nurse Chapel, Yeoman Rand or Number One. I know they want to get back to basics, but Chapel and Rand at least were big players in the original series and deserved some screentime. I really hope they appear in Star Trek XII.

Other Observations

- So, Kirk wasn't born in Iowa eh?

- Enterprise's Engineering setion didn't look like something you'd find on a ship like that. Didn't even look like it could fit inside the ship.

- Some people didn't like the product placement, but I actually got a kick out of seeing a Nokia phone in the 23rd century.

- What was up with the Enterprise being built in Iowa on the ground anyway?

- I wonder what caused Romulus' sun to blow up.

The Verdict

- Despite the bad and the ugly, I really liked the movie and especially the way they managed to reset Trek and integrate it into the story. Well done. I also look forward to future adventures with great hopes that the next one will indeed get an 'Excellent' from me. This wasn't excellent because it could have been better. It was still a cut above "average" though.

Now as promised, here's more on the characters, most of whom I enjoyed watching...

James T. Kirk

Chris Pine was fantastic as Kirk. I've always imagined Kirk as a bit of a quiet bookworm who eventually came out of his shell, but enjoyed this take none the less. They set Kirk up as a cocky bad boy, and Pine captured it very well with fun and humor. You could even see a few of those Shatnerian manerisms here and there.

Mr. Spock

Zachary Quinto also did well in his role. He played a new version of Spock very well.

Leonard McCoy

Karl Urban did alright as Dr. McCoy. I wasn't blown away, but I wasn't disapponted either.

Mr. Scott

Simon Pegg's Scotty was pretty funny. He was almost like the bumbing idiot comic relief, but without the "idiot". Good stuff. I hope we see more of his little buddy in the future too. Shut up! I mean that little alien guy.

Mr. Sulu

John Cho didn't get much to do, but I'm glad he's there in the role and the audience loved his sword action. That's about it. I mean it's John Cho, so I can't complain.

Pavel Chekov

I actually liked Anton Yelchin as Chekov. He really had some presence as the Russian navigator.

Uhura

Oh my god! Zoe Saldana was hot, sexy and sophisticated as Uhura. I love this new Uhura. She was fantastic. They really infused some life into her.

The Villain

I liked Bana's performance as Nero and although I have no real issues with the character, it's pretty clear that he won't go down as one of the great villains of Trek. He's like another Dr. Soran.

Christopher Pike

Bruce Greenwood was good as a tough, no nonsense captain, but I would have preferred Ray Liotta as Pike. What a missed opportunity. Did they even try to get him?

The Other Characters

I can't end this post without mentioning Captain Robau. They did a good job of giving him and his ship, the Kelvin a life of their own in the brief time we got to see them in action.

Old Spock was good too. It was nice to see Leonard Nimoy back. Who knew that the Next Generation would come and go and then we'd see Nimoy again as Spock? That hit me as I was watching. I also liked how substantial his role was. I thought we'd only see him in a cameo.

In Closing... That's all for now. I liked it. Don't know if I'll see it again at the theatre though.

A Note About the Poll

I'll miss seeing how people voted, but I thought it was better to leave the poll anonymous. This is a big movie and this forum isn't as intimate as the others. I didn't want people (especially possible newcomers who registered just for this movie) to feel intimidated about voting. Sure there could be some abuse, but that's just the price of anonymity. Looks like people have been good about it so far though.

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Old May 8 2009, 05:28 AM   #455
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Re: The Official STAR TREK Grading & Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]

Loved Chris Pine as Kirk. Love Karl Urban as McCoy. Scotty was good too. Loved Scotty's little pet. Sooo cute.

So sad about Vulcan and Spock's mom. The most shocking/saddening thing about the movie.

I DID like that they SPECIFIED that this is all in an alternate timeline. I'm kinda iffy about it, but it does give them a whole world of stuff they can do. No limits anymore. Anyone can die. Planets can be destroyed. Anything! And it's refreshing isn't it?

Rated it Excellent by the way!
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Old May 8 2009, 05:28 AM   #456
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I got to be honest with you guys.
I have mixed feelings about this film. In other words...why Vulcan?! There’s a lot of things on my mind right now: a few things that I love about this film, and a few things that really upsets me. I’ll formulate a review as soon as I can. Overall, I think this film has to be among the top 3 greatest Trek films along with STII and STVI.
Grade: 3 out of 4.
Here is my review of the film.

What I really liked:

1) The opening 15-20 min scene with the Kelvin was F***ing SENSATIONAL!!! That alone merits this film to an automatic spot on my top 3 for best Trek films ever.
2) Special effects were amazing: e.g.: The Enterprise going to warp and phasers bouncing around at bullet speed…genius!
3) I love the humor: e.g.: Kirk taking the Kobayashi Maru exam was hilarious.
4) The design of the Enterprise (e.g.: I love the look of the bridge, sickbay and the engine room…makes Voyager look 22nd century)

Sorta okay (I can live with it):

1) Characterization of Nero was a bit too predictable of a Trek villain.
2) It seems a bit awkward to see Spock behaving more of a human than a Vulcan: It didn’t feel comfortable to me, because of the way we are used to seeing Spock in TOS; but I understand that they were trying to introduce a younger Spock with a vulnerable, humanistic side of him that we haven’t seen before using a similar formula that worked successfully for the Batman prequels and Casino Royale.
3) I have absolutely no problem with the Spock-Uhura relationship; however, it would have helped to know HOW Spock fell in love with Uhura just so that we can understand why he felt the way he feels.

What upsets me:


1) Whenever an event unfolds, I “think Trek”: Kirk’s rise from being a suspended cadet to Captain was an extreme leap…not that I’m jealous.
2) Vulcan was destroyed?!! If anything seriously undermines my opinion of this film it is this. WTF!!!
3) Another minute of hearing Chekov’s accent and I would have left the theater.

Final thoughts:


It’s been three hours since the movie finished, and all I can say is that I feel extremely overwhelmed with what I saw. I love the new, sexy, “hip” look to Star Trek and with the $150M budget they did an outstanding job. The pace of the film was a bit too quick and I felt that it weakened the development of the characters – in some ways, 207 minutes was too short. The characterization of Kirk as the brash, arrogant and care-free cadet was a great portrayal, but the promotion to captaincy was too ridiculous.

Grade: 7.5/10
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Old May 8 2009, 05:28 AM   #457
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OK, I have seen it. First opening day I've been to since 1986 (I went to opening day for TMP, TWOK, TSFS and TVH) Glad I did. Movie was great! I'll need to see it again, but I was smiling from ear to ear when the end credits rolled, and that means I had a really good time. It's a keeper. I just don't see what the haters see to hate. It falls in (just) behind TMP on my list. I may like it even more upon repeat viewings. If you're a Trek fan in even a remote way, run out and see this film this weekend.
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Old May 8 2009, 05:29 AM   #458
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I want to say one other thing... I've never been to a movie that got 6 rounds of applause.

1st Round: After the Kelvin teaser when "STAR TREK" appeared on the screen.

2nd Round: When we saw the Enterprise for the first time.

3rd Round: When Sulu whipped out his sword.

4th Round: When Spock appeared.

5th Round: At the beginning of the closing credits.

6th Round: When Gene & Majel's names appeared at the end of the credits. This was from a few people who stayed to watch 'til the end of the credits.
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Old May 8 2009, 05:32 AM   #459
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I also wish they had spelled it Niro. Why use the name Nero? Kind of weak.
Er ... Nero/Rome. Rome/Romulus.

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Old May 8 2009, 05:33 AM   #460
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So sad about Vulcan and Spock's mom. The most shocking/saddening thing about the movie.
Yeah, it is sad about Vulcan. Gutsy, but sad. Also, they didn't make good use of Winona Ryder.
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Old May 8 2009, 05:33 AM   #461
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My new sig below pretty much says it all. Kirk messing with the KM test is a perfect metaphor for what Abrams did with this movie - he changed the rules. In one movie he shook up the Trek universe more than the Batman and James Bond reboots did with their universes in their combined first four films. He took a big risk by doing so, but boy, did it ever pay off.
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Old May 8 2009, 05:35 AM   #462
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So I had to collect my thoughts but I want to post a mini-review.

Why is Star Trek 2009 so great?? Is it the new level of realism? Is it the tremendous scope and epic feel? The funny and engaging new actors? The fact that we have one of only TWO real space adventure universes in visual fiction come to life like never before? Yeah its all of those things. Star Trek somehow managed to take the best of the old and merge it with the new.

The story was actually much like the Berman era Trek, it helped to somewhat soften the "blow" of the changes in tone made for the new universe, but whereas the previous stewardship had let the movies aim lower, this one took everything to the next level: its not enough to destroy one planet, the fictional red matter was going to destroy multiple planets...and they showed it! Past ST started to feel safe, but not even Vulcan was safe from destruction! Spock is going to have to live with this and the death of his mother. No reset button here.

One of the potential criticisms was that much like a lot of action-adventure, this story was going to leave behind the plot and characters. Well most of the ST movies had pretty simple plots folks. Its how they are executed that's important..and this story delivers, even in the first 3rd of the movie we have touching moments for the characters..Spock, Kirk and family. This movie never forgets its heart...and all the best ST movies have some heart! There's even a surprisingly tasteful and touching love story with SPOCK AND UHURA! I just couldn't picture this, but it worked! It reminded me of the way Amanda and Sarek behaved in TOS...they were low key around the crew till a crisis and then they were more demonstrative.

Speaking of Amanda and Sarek, all the actors including the supporting ones were tremendous in their roles. Ben Cross was a favorite. Bruce Greenwood almost stole the movie for me. I loved Pike! Leonard Nimoy was treated with reverence, even the way he was shot screamed "legend". Bana was effectively menacing without being a scenery chewer. Pine is excellent as Kirk. As part of the evolution of the character, I noticed that the still fun-loving Kirk started to move and act more like Shatner as-Kirk at the end of the film as he takes the captains chair. I had wondered what happened in some of the preview scenes with Spock and Kirk fighting, et al, and I must say the movie is effective at tying up all loose ends. Each development makes sense, and that's hard with time travel stories.

From the very first moment I saw the Kelvin I was amazed...THAT was the best, most active, functional, stupendous bridge I have ever seen. It looked like something I had imagined a real bridge would look like. The one thing that really bothered me before seeing it was the "industrial" look of some of the starship interiors...well shockingly, they didn't bother me at all. The way they were integrated, updated just made sense. This has to be one of the best production design jobs ever. I never would have imagined this.

WOW(pic doesn't do the set justice):



The music was another high point, I had expected it to be less grand based on the Lost music, but it was suitably epic where appropriate. I'm not ready to say it was Trek's best ever, but its right up there.

Knick knacks: The credit and title sequences were the best EVER in ST. I watched the end credits just to see what the universe of ST REALLY looks like. It was breathtaking. No other movie in the series even rivals it.

Lens flares? Who cares, I barely noticed them.

These were the best CGI spacecraft ever committed to film.

Whoever said they didn't like the Kelvin uniforms are crazy.

In the end we are left with a new Star Trek..a familiar universe that has changes to build on. Its the ONLY way to continue this franchise in my opinion. For the first time in years (even for one who enjoyed many Berman era adventures) the universe is fresh..there are new things we don't know about the characters. There's mystery and a lot more adventure, and I for one can't wait to see the next ST movie, which no doubt will be the NEXT best ST movie ever.

A or 10/10 rating!

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Old May 8 2009, 05:37 AM   #463
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No Nurse Chapel, Yeoman Rand or Number One. I know they want to get back to basics, but Chapel and Rand at least were big players in the original series and deserved some screentime. I really hope they appear in Star Trek XII.
The writers made the right decision to leave out Nurse Chapel and Yeoman Rand since there is so much that a new viewer of Trek can take in this film. However, I do agree that they should appear in STXII. If not, I will be severely disappointed.
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Old May 8 2009, 05:40 AM   #464
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Good review, RAMA!

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Lens flares? Who cares, I barely noticed them.
Me neither. I thought it was going to be a bigger problem because the most egregious lens flare was included in the "You will answer me" promo clip. The rest of the movie wasn't like that at all.
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After going through about three pages of debating about the film, I've skipped ahead to post my thoughts so forgive me if I repeat anything. I think most reviews have covered the story and the characters. I'll agree with most of the positive points (Quinto's performance, the joy of seeing Nimoy again etc.) so I'll point out some of the smaller things that I loved:
  • Hearing Majel's voice as the Enterprise computer, knowing that this was the last time tugged at my heart a little despite the sequence being a funny one.
  • The use of classic sound fx with new spins on them really made me smile.
  • I saw the Tribble and heard its purring - awesomeness.
  • The new "warp" effect was nice and conveyed the power of warp speed very well.
  • I liked the new phaser's "switch" from stun to kill, very nicely done visual cue.
  • Pine's last scene on the bridge really did a great job of balancing his take on Kirk while incorporating some of Shatner's mannerisms.
  • While the use of TOS line references could have been cheesy, they all worked here. When Spock said "Fascinating" even my gf, who is barely a Trek fan laughed and clapped.
  • The final weapons barrage scene by the Enterprise used a classic angle that brought me right back to the TOS era films when they focused on the Photon Torpedo bays and had the camera stay on them as they fired.
On a final note, my friend who never watched any Trek before and refuses to call himself a Trek fan enjoyed the film and gave it a "7 out of 10". I'm still sort of in shock.

I'm super happy and still on a bit of an emotional high. I'm SO glad I'm getting to see the film tomorrow in IMAX because about 3/4 of the way through the film I kept thinking "I need to see this again stat!"
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