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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

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Old May 8 2009, 12:31 AM   #346
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Re: The Official STAR TREK Grading & Discussion Thread [SPOILERS]

Well, in theory the red matter might have created a traverseable wormhole throat rather than a black hole as many thought. There's kind of similar features of both in that the gravitational forces involved are immense.

But this is Trek science rather than hard science, so I'm not going to think about it too hard.
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Old May 8 2009, 12:35 AM   #347
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I found it too cheesy and dumbed down.
Ah, so it was a Star Trek movie.
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Old May 8 2009, 12:45 AM   #348
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There was defiantly something missing from this film.
As a stand alone film it was good, but other than origional spock being in it, it didnt feel much, if anything like any star trek we have been used to.
I found it too cheesy and dumbed down.
Shame.
Cheesy and dumbed down? Unlike the rest of trek which is only accessible to theoretical physicists?

Where does this elitist ideal come from? Where was trek ever intellectual? It was always part morality play and part fisticuffs. Most of the trek we've been used to has been like stale feet and best left enjoyed by someone else far away. This new film has a young crew on a new starship finding its feet. Yep, it different, yeah, theres a few creative decisions I'd have taken differently, and a few excellent ones I'd never have thought of in a million years, but the same old same old has had its day. NuTrek is here and it is good!
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Old May 8 2009, 12:56 AM   #349
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There was defiantly something missing from this film.
As a stand alone film it was good, but other than origional spock being in it, it didnt feel much, if anything like any star trek we have been used to.
I found it too cheesy and dumbed down.
Shame.
Cheesy and dumbed down? Unlike the rest of trek which is only accessible to theoretical physicists?

Where does this elitist ideal come from? Where was trek ever intellectual? It was always part morality play and part fisticuffs. Most of the trek we've been used to has been like stale feet and best left enjoyed by someone else far away. This new film has a young crew on a new starship finding its feet. Yep, it different, yeah, theres a few creative decisions I'd have taken differently, and a few excellent ones I'd never have thought of in a million years, but the same old same old has had its day. NuTrek is here and it is good!
It felt more like the lost in space reboot.
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Old May 8 2009, 01:21 AM   #350
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^^ Dang it, what's with all these new members lately (the Cadets, and Lieutenant Junior Grades and such) who barge into threads just to be negative, then leave? Have I been transported to IMDb?

EDIT: No seriously. I've scanned the last few pages and honestly every negative word came from someone who is brand new to the forum. Are we being infiltrated? )
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Old May 8 2009, 01:22 AM   #351
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I am just hanging out to see this film again!!! I did not feel that way after Nemesis when I was like, "well that was nice, guess I'll buy the dvd".

I am excited that there is a whole new universe of possibility unconstrained by known history. Anything could happen.. Shran could fall into a black hole and star in the next film. We could actually GET the DS9 film people hoped for, only revisioned and set in an earlier time. Spock and Uhura could make babies. Anything..
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Old May 8 2009, 01:25 AM   #352
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Oh no, please no babies. I'm not a fan of that romance, I can tell you that. Somehow I didn't like this new Uhura.
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Old May 8 2009, 01:25 AM   #353
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Holy shit @ how good it was

Just come back from it.

Only problem was Nokia product placement. That is literally it, it was amazing apart from that and I will see it 5/6 times.
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Old May 8 2009, 01:27 AM   #354
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I am the same way... speechless and exhasted, like after good sex!!
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Old May 8 2009, 01:30 AM   #355
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Eddie Roth wrote: View Post
^^ Dang it, what's with all these new members lately (the Cadets, and Lieutenant Junior Grades and such) who barge into threads just to be negative, then leave? Have I been transported to IMDb?

EDIT: No seriously. I've scanned the last few pages and honestly every negative word came from someone who is brand new to the forum. Are we being infiltrated? )

I have been a member of this site for sometime, I just prefer to use others.
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Old May 8 2009, 01:31 AM   #356
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I did little jump at the Cardassian drink being mentioned in the bar scene. It seems unlikely that Cardassia would have been known enough for a drink to make it's name known, or to even use the name "Cardassian" as a drink moniker whether it came from that planet or not.
I thought that too, but hey I'm a DS9 fan and thought it was great.
No, no, no. It was KARDASHIAN. They went from a crappy cable show to their own race in two centuries.

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Old May 8 2009, 01:32 AM   #357
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I did little jump at the Cardassian drink being mentioned in the bar scene. It seems unlikely that Cardassia would have been known enough for a drink to make it's name known, or to even use the name "Cardassian" as a drink moniker whether it came from that planet or not.
I thought that too, but hey I'm a DS9 fan and thought it was great.
No, no, no. It was KARDASHIAN. They went from a crappy cable show to their own race in two centuries.

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Old May 8 2009, 01:33 AM   #358
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Spock and Uhura could make babies.
There's an interesting question... would a 1/4 Vulcan, 3/4 Human baby still have pointy ears? Or just curved eyebrows? Or neither...
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Old May 8 2009, 01:41 AM   #359
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It would have been nice for some more effort made to "the engineering deck", rather than just a Budweiser factory with spiral disco lights being shone onto the beer brewing machinery. I cringed on each engineering scene. No doubt part of the thank you to Bud was Uhura ordering Budweiser classics at the bar just before the fight!
*sigh*

At least the special effects were good.
Since when was older spock so emotional? Especially in the last scene when he held up his hand in the Vulcan salute and said "good luck" with a grin on his face.
Why on earth did younger Spock put Jim into a pod and just eject him from the ship to a possible death just for having an opinion?!

I have been following this film for months, and been the biggest promoter of it to friends, family and fans alike, but I have come away from the Cinema with a bitter sweet taste in my mouth. It was spectacular, and I will watch it again, but I feel that its too different to have included Old spock in this way. There were far too many convienent events in the film for it to feel credible in any way. Its just not got any intilectual depth to it from what I experienced, which is what I have always enjoyed in the majority of trek.
I wasnt a great fan of the origional series or the first few movies. My interest kicked in when TNG came on board, when I was about 6 years old, and I guess it will end with Enterprise.
Each to their own. I hope others enjoy the movie.
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Old May 8 2009, 01:48 AM   #360
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This is a repost from a closed thread.. sorry I'm having trouble getting used to there being only one thread to post about the film.

You know what I loved? That the trigger to make Spock lose his temper (which he did gloriously IMHO) was Kirk telling him he never loved his mother. What a great tie in to the TOS ep "The Naked Time". Spock always had such an odd tug of logic vs emotion with his mother.. she must have been very important to him during his difficult childhood, yet the more he succeeded the less he could reveal his feelings for her. This film is absolutely consistent with TOS and builds on this relationship.

Kind of a shame she's dead now.. but I guess that will have it's own impact on Spock's future choices. Really there is a whole world of Vulcan angst waiting for the next film to explore.
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