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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

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Old June 16 2009, 06:13 AM   #2356
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As Nero would know, Vulcans are telepathic and Spock would "see" the distruction of Vulcan even if he wasn't within visual range.
Oh, come now; this is Spock, not Yoda.
So?

Spock in the original series (Immunity Syndrome) felt the deaths of the USS Intrepid crew.
'Feeling' the deaths of fellow Vulcans and seeing the image of the planet imploding in his mind are quite different. He didn't 'see' the Intrepid get eaten by the giant space amoeba.
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Old June 16 2009, 06:18 AM   #2357
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^ That's why it has to be metaphorical. Visualized so we could understand.


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Old June 16 2009, 09:59 AM   #2358
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oric said nero left spock with something that enabled him to see the destruction and what was seen later was a memory of that.
heck in the later trek series we saw were events depending on the level of technology of a given species was projected in mid air.
Of course! That's why Spock stood outside looking UP, straight at Vulcan! Because Nero put a giant LCD screen in high orbit of Delta Vega!

Simply put; Orci realized the ridiculous plothole of the Enterprise still being in Vulcan's orbit as it launched Kirk away, it thus limping along at extremely low, virtually non-existent, impulse speeds, not even full impulse, let alone warp as it should have; and now is trying to cover it up.
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Old June 16 2009, 03:23 PM   #2359
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Oh, come now; this is Spock, not Yoda.
So?

Spock in the original series (Immunity Syndrome) felt the deaths of the USS Intrepid crew.
'Feeling' the deaths of fellow Vulcans and seeing the image of the planet imploding in his mind are quite different. He didn't 'see' the Intrepid get eaten by the giant space amoeba.
He wasn't sharing the experience after the fact with Kirk in a mind meld. If he had done so, perhaps what Kirk would have experienced would have seemed like "watching" the Intrepid enter the amoeba. Mind melds have not often been presented with a visual representation of the experience--there is much room for impressionistic visualizations that differ from the literal experience.
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Old June 17 2009, 01:36 PM   #2360
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3D! You're back! Where's the link to your paradigm-shifting review?!

On topic: a link to the ABC (aust) TV show review of TrekXI:
http://www.abc.net.au/atthemovies/txt/s2547372.htm

They aren't out and out SF fans, but they does likes them a good movie.
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Old June 18 2009, 09:36 AM   #2361
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oric said nero left spock with something that enabled him to see the destruction and what was seen later was a memory of that.
heck in the later trek series we saw were events depending on the level of technology of a given species was projected in mid air.
Of course! That's why Spock stood outside looking UP, straight at Vulcan! Because Nero put a giant LCD screen in high orbit of Delta Vega!

Simply put; Orci realized the ridiculous plothole of the Enterprise still being in Vulcan's orbit as it launched Kirk away, it thus limping along at extremely low, virtually non-existent, impulse speeds, not even full impulse, let alone warp as it should have; and now is trying to cover it up.
I sure do hope you wrote J.J. Abrams telling him what a terrible job those two did in making this movie. I'm certain he'll listen.

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Old June 18 2009, 12:26 PM   #2362
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I'm off to read the 3Dmashup review!!

I can't wait!!
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Old June 22 2009, 02:24 AM   #2363
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Saw the movie again yesterday. Couple more impressions:

This was funny! It was so nice to just sit there and laugh and happily drift through the Trek universe again. There were only a dozen or so people in the theater, and it was nice to listen to the reactions around me. One guy in front of me was obviously a fan, or at least knew enough of the original series to get the less-obvious jokes. I had almost as much fun listening to the audience as I did watching the film myself.

Did anyone else notice that Scotty has a PET TRIBBLE on the snow planet (Delta Vega Something)? When the scene opened, I thought to myself, "Is that a tribble trill I hear?" And sure enough, there on Scotty's desk is a furry ball in a cage. You have to look close to see it, and I wouldn't have even noiced it if I hadn't picked up the trilling in the background. Absolutely delightful.

I was able to pay more attention to the music this time through. It's really quite glorious - a fitting contribution to the Trek film score collection. I've been trying to figure out what piece "Enterprising Young Men" reminds me of.

I want to try to catch it one more time in the theater before it's out. It's hard to find a 2.5-hour stretch of time to devote to it, but I really want to pull it off. And I can't wait for the DVD release. Anyone know a projected date for that?
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Old June 22 2009, 02:26 AM   #2364
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^from what I've heard: October 27th.
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Old June 22 2009, 08:01 AM   #2365
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I just saw the movie again for the second time. Wow! I had no idea that it was so badly written. Seriously. I managed to spot plot holes that I didn't noticed the first time I saw the film. And since I have a large list of what was wrong with the movie, I guess I'll post it later.

But I can't believe that this film is considered the most highly acclaimed of the summer. I've honestly seen better.
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Old June 22 2009, 09:03 AM   #2366
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Saw the movie again yesterday. Couple more impressions:

This was funny! It was so nice to just sit there and laugh and happily drift through the Trek universe again. There were only a dozen or so people in the theater, and it was nice to listen to the reactions around me. One guy in front of me was obviously a fan, or at least knew enough of the original series to get the less-obvious jokes. I had almost as much fun listening to the audience as I did watching the film myself.

Did anyone else notice that Scotty has a PET TRIBBLE on the snow planet (Delta Vega Something)? When the scene opened, I thought to myself, "Is that a tribble trill I hear?" And sure enough, there on Scotty's desk is a furry ball in a cage. You have to look close to see it, and I wouldn't have even noiced it if I hadn't picked up the trilling in the background. Absolutely delightful.

I was able to pay more attention to the music this time through. It's really quite glorious - a fitting contribution to the Trek film score collection. I've been trying to figure out what piece "Enterprising Young Men" reminds me of.

I want to try to catch it one more time in the theater before it's out. It's hard to find a 2.5-hour stretch of time to devote to it, but I really want to pull it off. And I can't wait for the DVD release. Anyone know a projected date for that?
I almost went to see it for the 4th time the other day... Ended up seeing Drag Me To Hell for a second time instead. Should have seen Star Trek though, don't think I'll get the chance again before it leaves cinemas.
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Old June 22 2009, 09:24 AM   #2367
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I just saw the movie again for the second time. Wow! I had no idea that it was so badly written. Seriously. I managed to spot plot holes that I didn't noticed the first time I saw the film. And since I have a large list of what was wrong with the movie, I guess I'll post it later.

But I can't believe that this film is considered the most highly acclaimed of the summer. I've honestly seen better.
Just read 3DMasher's review, it'll cover your points, and we've probably already seen them all.
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Old June 22 2009, 04:22 PM   #2368
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I just saw the movie again for the second time. Wow! I had no idea that it was so badly written. Seriously. I managed to spot plot holes that I didn't noticed the first time I saw the film. And since I have a large list of what was wrong with the movie, I guess I'll post it later.

But I can't believe that this film is considered the most highly acclaimed of the summer. I've honestly seen better.
Just read 3DMasher's review, it'll cover your points, and we've probably already seen them all.

I've read 3D Masher's review. And it didn't cover all of my points. So, I'll be posting my observations.
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Old June 22 2009, 05:38 PM   #2369
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it was great.....it had issues....but it was good enough that it over came them
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I had no idea that it was so badly written.
The ability of fans to identify what they consider "serious plot holes" has nothing to do with how well-written a movie is. This one is pretty good.
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