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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

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Old May 30 2009, 07:04 PM   #2191
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Re: Scathing review of the movie

I don't see why so many "long time" fans ....

Oh, never mind.
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Old May 30 2009, 07:09 PM   #2192
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Different people are gonna "see" different things. I'm that rarity, the guy who sees everything the naysayers do (though the bit about Scotty getting his position by cheating is a stretch) but who liked the movie and will probably pony up to see it once more before it leaves the theatres.
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Old May 30 2009, 07:11 PM   #2193
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I disagree with a lot of what the reviewer has to say.

One such instance is his assertion that Uhura is only on Enterprise because she was sleeping with Spock. My impression was that the only reson why she wasn't initially assigned to Enterprise was her relationship with Spock. The conversation only corrected Spock's attempt to show no favortism.
yep it is made pretty clear that she earned her berth on the ship.

i suspect spock and kirk both made a case for scotty staying as chief engineer for the other things he did once he was on board.
despite the ship before only managing warp three due to the damage done by the narada scotty was able to get her up to warp four.
he also managed to beam two different sets of people from two different vast locations into the same beaming platform at the same time.
plus saving the ship from the singularity at the end.

and from what some of the stuff scotty was saying he was probably near the end of his being on delta vega anyway.


kirk got promoted because he first saved the enterprise from the initial narada attack because other wise her shields wouldnt have been raised.
he then saved earth then the rest of the federation.

i sometimes think some reviewers go in hating an assignment so much they dont really pay attention to the movie.

because he evidently missed a lot.
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Old May 30 2009, 07:11 PM   #2194
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I agree with the review since I've pointed out the same things. But I don't see why the original poster describes it as "scathing" because it isn't.

It is actually one of the better written reviews that provides specific details about what the reviewer liked/disliked as opposed to most reviews I've read that are nothing more than a plot synopsis.
I agree with the following:

Regardless, I do believe that some consideration needs to be given a film's source material -- the belief that the filmmakers are better than the ideas they are borrowing infects far too many movies these days. "Star Trek" succumbs to that too easily, going so far as to use its source as window dressing for a work that thematically and dramatically has nothing at all to do with the franchise it claims to be part of.
The rebooting of a franchise, though, is more a business endeavor than a creative one, and it shows in the actual film. In its day, "Star Trek" had contributions from some of the best science fiction writers around, all trying to create a good, speculative adventure show that mixed action and romance with solid ideas and a political and social philosophy. For the new incarnation, much of this was dropped in the name of attitude.
Action science fiction doesn't have to be dumb, but it too often is -- especially in this movie. The actors and director perform their duties adequately, but the writing ruins their best efforts.

By relying on catch phrases and gags to fill out the characters, and by providing too many situations that make little dramatic sense other than to dazzle your eyes with action sequences so your brain doesn't immediately notice that they don't make much sense, the script is exactly like the mysterious red substance featured in the film that causes planets to implode into themselves.

Far from being in the spirit of the original "Star Trek," the new film is more in line with "The Terminator," in which drama and character are really only contrivances set up to get action sequences in motion.
Yes, the emotional core that was needed to anchor the show was MIA.
I disagree with the following though:
To accomplish this requires a series of impromptu military promotions and maneuvers that stretch disbelief -- Kirk somehow manages to gain command of the starship literally within a few hours of story time despite behavior that should inspire a court martial instead. Many of the characters have been transformed into dishonest shadows of their former selves. Engineer Scotty (Simon Pegg) gains his post through fraud -- one minute he is being reprimanded on an outpost planet, and the next he is the chief engineer of the Enterprise -- entirely because Future Spock finished an important math equation for him that he couldn't actually complete himself.
Other women in the film don't fair much better -- Kirk's mother (Jennifer Morrison) is portrayed basically as a delivery receptacle for a baby who then abandons her son. Spock's mom (Winona Ryder) is killed off a fast as they can manage it.
Yeah Amanda was treated no better than a glorified extra.
"Star Trek" falls into a loose narrative that never quite makes any sense. The script grabs elements from the "Star Trek" franchise when it feels the need for an instantly recognizable backstory, but stripped of these affectations, the film is just any of the mindless roller-coaster ride action flicks that the series was primarily thought of as the antidote to for all these years.
Agreed.
Somehow, this shoddy film has ended up being given a free pass by the world of film critics who would otherwise be jumping all over it with venom if were actually a "Transformers" movie instead of just acting like one.
Agreed. I'd also add that the same fans would be breaking out their pitchforks if B&B had penned this film.
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Old May 30 2009, 07:12 PM   #2195
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I don't see why so many "long time" fans ....

Oh, never mind.
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Old May 30 2009, 07:14 PM   #2196
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Different people are gonna "see" different things. I'm that rarity, the guy who sees everything the naysayers do (though the bit about Scotty getting his position by cheating is a stretch) but who liked the movie and will probably pony up to see it once more before it leaves the theatres.
Well, it's either that, seeing Christian Bale with a mustache, or watching a mute Deadpool with blades taped to his arms fighting Wolverine.
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Old May 30 2009, 07:23 PM   #2197
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Or I could watch my DVD of The Man Who Fell to Earth. When it comes to SF movies, I've become a real pretentious fuck of late and that's just how I like it!
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Old May 30 2009, 07:44 PM   #2198
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I disagree with a lot of what the reviewer has to say.

One such instance is his assertion that Uhura is only on Enterprise because she was sleeping with Spock. My impression was that the only reson why she wasn't initially assigned to Enterprise was her relationship with Spock. The conversation only corrected Spock's attempt to show no favortism.
Yeah, that's one of the most glaring errors in the review. The guy obviously wasn't paying much attention if he missed that. Spock knew he was wrong not to assign her to the Enterprise - why else would he back down and "change his mind" so fast?
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Old May 30 2009, 07:59 PM   #2199
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Any scathing review of this movie reveals more about the reviewer than about the movie. IMHO.
A person whose opinion of something differs from yours is a troubled person? Fascinating.
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Old May 30 2009, 08:03 PM   #2200
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That reviewer is completely right. I just wish more people realized it.
No, you just wish more people agreed with you.
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Old May 30 2009, 08:05 PM   #2201
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That reviewer is completely right. I just wish more people realized it.
No, you just wish more people agreed with you.
Damned "real fans"!
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Old May 30 2009, 09:26 PM   #2202
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I know I am late posting on here, but I have been lurking for quite awhile but I wanted to add my 2 cents for what it is worth.

This move rocks the house. 9/10! The fx where great, the actors really nailed the characters and the plot, I thought was, with a few holes, great! Some people here have quite a bit of a problem understanding Nero and I will say that if you pay attention to the movie, you will understand his motivation w/o the Countdown graphic novel. During the scene with Spock prime, he filled in a lot of details, but during the scene where Nero was interrogating Pike he spilled the rest of the beans. Nero indicated that he (paraphrase) would still save Romulus after he had destroyed all of the Federation homeworld and he was just waiting not only for Spock for revenge but also to get his hands on the red matter to meets his ends.

The only real problem I had with it was Kirks meteoric rise to Captaincy. However, this could easily go from plot hole to plot device in the next movie. Kirk has the talent, guts and intelligence, what he lacks though is experience. In the sequel I could see the writers having him choke or blow a big crisis and strip his of the Captains bars and bust him down the Number One on the Enterpise and making say Garrovick the next Captain. Kirk then has to reearn the Captaincy ending with the classic line that the Captaincy is his first best destiny, anything else is a waste of materals. Thanks for the opportunity to shout out.
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Old May 30 2009, 09:43 PM   #2203
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People can complain all they want about the lack of substance is this version of Trek...but if you don't make the movie ADHD'ish, then you will not hook the new iPod generation for which the movie was primarily targeted. Now that they've accomplished getting the fish hooked, they can put the meat back in the stories, giving us the more Familiar Trek we are used to without the Cannon dead weight.
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Old May 30 2009, 09:53 PM   #2204
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Now that they've accomplished getting the fish hooked, they can put the meat back in the stories, giving us the more Familiar Trek we are used to without the Cannon dead weight.
It's spelled "canon."

Oh, yeah. The old they're saving the good stuff for later argument. Like that's gonna happen.
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Old May 30 2009, 09:55 PM   #2205
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The little things that bother people. I don't get it.
I'm sorry, but anyone who disobeys orders, talks back to their superior officer, bad talks the captain in order to provoke him in front of the entire crew and ASSAULTS two security officers forfeits everything in his position, first officer or not.

Kirk showed all the signs of being emotionally compromised for command and he didn't even get provoked into that situation.
Imagine a C student, frat boy type wielding the helm of power? That would never happen, right? Oh, it would happen--but people don't like it. That's been the problem with recent, smug Trek. It's portrayal of humanity was more alien and unreal than the putty-headed extraterrestrial lifeforms it had on screen.

I used to think everyone played by the rules, but as I get older I see life doesn't always play by the rules. Stranger things have happened. The military has a history of the leadership sometimes being the former cadets with the most demerits. Remember how Patton's career ended? And sometimes, leadership is made up of crooks and liars and phonies. I just watched "enemy within" last night where we meet Kirk's "evil side" and Spock surmised Kirk's evil side is part of what made the captain a strong leader. I read Abram's watched all the old episodes in prep for the movie--it showed. He might have exaggerated Kirk's badside---but a modern world can relate.
I don't think his bad side as shown in the movie was all THAT bad, and he's still an ethical role model b/c at the end he offered to assist the Narada (even though Nero's refusal ultimately necessitated his ship's destruction to try to avoid the risk he might emerge alive and uncaptured on other side of black hole).

As for the modern world not being able to relate to Star Trek characters, that's the modern world's problem and that's what has to change, not Star Trek. Culture has really kind of devolved since the altruistic ethos of the 60s---something that Trek must remain responsible for representing. Kirk's promotion bends the rules but it's not born out of corruption like so much of it is today in this society. But Trek can't reflect this society to that extent, Trek's an ideal to aspire toward.
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