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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

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Old May 25 2009, 05:10 AM   #2056
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For fuck's sake, it's Khan! Not Kahn. People who are talking about other people's supposed erasing and crapping on Trek history maybe should try to adhere to their own ridiculous rules.
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Old May 25 2009, 05:14 AM   #2057
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It really just comes down to this is a summer popcorn movie. Gone are the days of the thinking Star Trek. JJ said he didn't know what Star Trek had become, because all he knew about was Kirk and Spock. So Paramount tossed a bunch of money in his face and that's what we have now, Star Trek for dumb people. Really whats the difference between this new movie and Star Wars? I know these are some smart guys that made this movie, BUT there is NO reason to erase 40 years of our history. I thought the idea of a prequel was great, nobody would expect them to follow every little nugget of trek lore. That just isn't realistic. I just hope they stop crapping on Trek history. All this talk of redoing Kahn, bad juju.
Star Trek was always more about action and having fun till the newer era. When the last few seasons of DS9 and Voyager got away from that ST went down hill fast. TOS was never about making you think. TOS is a series anyone can watch and have a lot of fun watching. You can say the same for a lot of DS9 and some TNG also. And I guess some early Voyager also. It doesn't make you think any hard. If you want to think hard go to school and be a nuclaer physicist or something.
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Old May 25 2009, 05:15 AM   #2058
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It really just comes down to this is a summer popcorn movie. Gone are the days of the thinking Star Trek. JJ said he didn't know what Star Trek had become, because all he knew about was Kirk and Spock. So Paramount tossed a bunch of money in his face and that's what we have now, Star Trek for dumb people. Really whats the difference between this new movie and Star Wars? I know these are some smart guys that made this movie, BUT there is NO reason to erase 40 years of our history. I thought the idea of a prequel was great, nobody would expect them to follow every little nugget of trek lore. That just isn't realistic. I just hope they stop crapping on Trek history. All this talk of redoing Kahn, bad juju.
Not this shit again. Signifying that one enjoys this movie is NOT a license for those who don't to question one's intelligence. You are not "smarter" than others simply because you did not like the movie.
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Old May 25 2009, 05:23 AM   #2059
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We really need a strawman smiley...
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Old May 25 2009, 05:36 AM   #2060
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Sorry to hear your so sensitive Ovation. I never said people who liked this movie are dumb. I think its a fun summer popcorn flick, and Star Trek deserves better. It deserved better than Nemesis to, fans know that. Fans didn't even support that movie at the box office.
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Old May 25 2009, 05:40 AM   #2061
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Sorry to hear your so sensitive Ovation. I never said people who liked this movie are dumb. I think its a fun summer popcorn flick, and Star Trek deserves better. It deserved better than Nemesis to, fans know that. Fans didn't even support that movie at the box office.
However, the movie isn't a "dumb flick".


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Old May 25 2009, 05:44 AM   #2062
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Sorry to hear your so sensitive Ovation. I never said people who liked this movie are dumb. I think its a fun summer popcorn flick, and Star Trek deserves better. It deserved better than Nemesis to, fans know that. Fans didn't even support that movie at the box office.
However, the movie isn't a "dumb flick".


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I agree. I rated this Star Trek movie as "Excellent." And it takes a lot to impress this fan here whom became a fan of all things Star Trek way back in the late 70's before ST:TMP came out. In fact, I cannot hardly wait for this new movie to come out on DVD so that I can buy it, and enjoy the movie again and again and again.
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Old May 25 2009, 05:46 AM   #2063
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jedarsena wrote: View Post
Sorry to hear your so sensitive Ovation. I never said people who liked this movie are dumb. I think its a fun summer popcorn flick, and Star Trek deserves better. It deserved better than Nemesis to, fans know that. Fans didn't even support that movie at the box office.
However, the movie isn't a "dumb flick".


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I agree. I rated this Star Trek movie as "Excellent." And it takes a lot to impress this fan here whom became a fan of all things Star Trek way back in the late 70's before ST:TMP came out. In fact, I cannot hardly wait for this new movie to come out on DVD so that I can buy it, and enjoy the movie again and again and again.
I agree to that as well. I'm not really one who appreciates "dumb" movies. Oh, I can like them and enjoy them while I watch them, but I tend to disregard them or forget about them until I want a cheap laugh or to while away at hours. If this movie would have been dumb, I'd have seen it once and said, "not bad", and walked away. I have seen it three times (four coming this week), and I truly love this movie.

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Old May 25 2009, 05:51 AM   #2064
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Star Trek was always more about action and having fun till the newer era. When the last few seasons of DS9 and Voyager got away from that ST went down hill fast. TOS was never about making you think. TOS is a series anyone can watch and have a lot of fun watching. You can say the same for a lot of DS9 and some TNG also. And I guess some early Voyager also. It doesn't make you think any hard. If you want to think hard go to school and be a nuclaer physicist or something.
I disagree with you somewhat. TOS definitely tried to make you think while having action and staying on the air. Balance of Terror is a great example.
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Old May 25 2009, 06:03 AM   #2065
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Star Trek was always more about action and having fun till the newer era. When the last few seasons of DS9 and Voyager got away from that ST went down hill fast. TOS was never about making you think. TOS is a series anyone can watch and have a lot of fun watching. You can say the same for a lot of DS9 and some TNG also. And I guess some early Voyager also. It doesn't make you think any hard. If you want to think hard go to school and be a nuclaer physicist or something.
I disagree with you somewhat. TOS definitely tried to make you think while having action and staying on the air. Balance of Terror is a great example.
Yes but do you really get smarter from watching BoT? No you were glad we kicked the Romulan's asses.
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Old May 25 2009, 06:07 AM   #2066
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Zeppster wrote: View Post
Star Trek was always more about action and having fun till the newer era. When the last few seasons of DS9 and Voyager got away from that ST went down hill fast. TOS was never about making you think. TOS is a series anyone can watch and have a lot of fun watching. You can say the same for a lot of DS9 and some TNG also. And I guess some early Voyager also. It doesn't make you think any hard. If you want to think hard go to school and be a nuclaer physicist or something.
I disagree with you somewhat. TOS definitely tried to make you think while having action and staying on the air. Balance of Terror is a great example.
I'll take your BoT and raise you a Spock's Brain.

what did you "think" of the latter?
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Old May 25 2009, 06:11 AM   #2067
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I rated this Star Trek movie as "Excellent." And it takes a lot to impress this fan here whom became a fan of all things Star Trek way back in the late 70's before ST:TMP came out.
How can anyone honestly look fairly at this film as a whole and say it is a 4-star excellent film? There are plenty of legitimate flaws that have been discussed that prevent it from crossing that threshold in my opinion. But to each their own.
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Star Trek was always more about action and having fun till the newer era. When the last few seasons of DS9 and Voyager got away from that ST went down hill fast. TOS was never about making you think. TOS is a series anyone can watch and have a lot of fun watching. You can say the same for a lot of DS9 and some TNG also. And I guess some early Voyager also. It doesn't make you think any hard. If you want to think hard go to school and be a nuclaer physicist or something.
I disagree with you somewhat. TOS definitely tried to make you think while having action and staying on the air. Balance of Terror is a great example.
I'll take your BoT and raise you a Spock's Brain.

what did you "think" of the latter?
So what? TOS, like any other tv series, has awful episodes that make you wonder how they ever saw the light of day. The point is would you rather strive for the better hours of the show or the weaker ones?

You are basically saying that at least XI wasn't as awful as the worst of TOS.
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Old May 25 2009, 06:20 AM   #2068
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no, my point, Sherlock, is that jedarsena keeps saying that Star trek ought to make you think.

I'm still waiting to know what he/she "thought" of Spock's Brain.
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Old May 25 2009, 06:22 AM   #2069
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Hey. Quit badmouthing Spock's Brain!!

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Old May 25 2009, 06:23 AM   #2070
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no worries. it's like I'm spanking my favorite child
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