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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

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Old May 17 2009, 05:31 AM   #1861
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Kirk also goes to the Academy about eight years earlier in the original timeline and is an experience, seasoned officer by the time he's assigned command of the Enterprise, whereas in this case, we're talking the "Top Gun" school of "rising through the ranks on the merits of being a smokin' hot bad boy!"
Or, on the basis of having been involved in a disaster/battle in which he was given a battlefield promotion.
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Old May 17 2009, 05:35 AM   #1862
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I just saw the movie again.

After the collision with the Kelvin, the Narada is listing and drifting clearly out of control, with a considerable debris cloud between it and the escaping shuttle fleet.

The writers have said that what got dropped from the movie is that the Narada is so severely damaged in this attack that the Klingons are able to capture its crew.
They were also quoted as saying they regretted leaving that scene out as it would have explained the 25 year gap. I hope the Blu-ray version will have a director's cut.
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Old May 17 2009, 05:36 AM   #1863
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What's odd to me is that the Narada was unable to completely destroy the Kelvin in seconds. I know the Enterprise later in the movie gets hit with one barrage and there shields go down to 30ish and someone reports they won't be able to take another hit.

It seems like the Narada didn't have a tractor beam either. I figure with their future tech tractor beam they could of stopped the Kelvin to a dead stop instantly before they got rammed. But it was a mining vessel so maybe they did not have one.
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Old May 17 2009, 05:49 AM   #1864
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the narada attemped to blast the kelvin as she came in on a collision course but even though she was coing apart and blowing up ( it is interesting watching the screen as all her systems are reporting off line) there is enough of her left plus the anti matter explosions to do damage to the narada.
also george kirk was able to put the kelvin in between the narada and the escaping shuttles,

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Old May 17 2009, 05:58 AM   #1865
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What's odd to me is that the Narada was unable to completely destroy the Kelvin in seconds. I know the Enterprise later in the movie gets hit with one barrage and there shields go down to 30ish and someone reports they won't be able to take another hit... But it was a mining vessel so maybe they did not have one.
You answered your own question.

The Narada is a mining ship. That mining ship attacked the Kelvin. The attack on the Enterprise was 25 years after the attack on the Kelvin. Is 25 years enough time to weaponise a mining ship?
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Old May 17 2009, 06:12 AM   #1866
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the narada was already a weapon .but they also had just emerged out of the singularity.
considering how easily spock's ship was later captured it is possible not all of narada's weaponry was online yet/
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Old May 17 2009, 06:22 AM   #1867
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the narada was already a weapon .but they also had just emerged out of the singularity.
considering how easily spock's ship was later captured it is possible not all of narada's weaponry was online yet/
Considering that the Narada is a product of Borg technology combined with the original mining ship, it's conceivable that the Borg tech continued to "weaponize" itself for the 25 years they waited.

Just got back from my third viewing, and the theater was at about half capacity, which is huge for here. After opening weekends, theaters in Cheyenne are rarely that full, especially if the movie is still being shown on mutiple screens in both of our theaters. Pretty good sign if you ask me.
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Old May 17 2009, 06:23 AM   #1868
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Excellent if anecdotal...
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Old May 17 2009, 07:13 AM   #1869
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Just come back from my second screening, and I must say, I liked it more than the first viewing. I found the action scenes almost impossible to follow on IMAX, but they're much better on a normal cinema screen.

Of course, the plot is no less ridiculous, and rather than a crowd of Trek fans, I had to deal with the unwashed masses here (about 20, which is a decent turnout for a second weekend). The few silent moments are not designed to have the sounds of popcorn over them!

A few drops of red matter in that cinema would improve humanity somewhat, though at least they contributed a few dollars to the Trek cause...
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Old May 17 2009, 07:39 AM   #1870
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Overall I thought it was an excellent movie, and rated it as such here.

I did have some issues with it, several of which have been addressed by Orci and Kurtzman on their commentary concerning the plot holes of the movie and the material that was in the deleted scenes (the thread is around here somewhere).

The science seemed too simplified to me and sometimes affected my ability to suspend my disbelief.


The most jarring thing for me, though, was really the massive amount of coincidence that bound the events of the story. It created scenes that were great from a dramatic perspective but that also seem very far-fetched.


Yet these are not fatal flaws, and the movie has so many excellent qualities that it is able to overcome them. Hopefully the DVD release will see an extended version which corrects as many of the flaws as possible, and if its not perfect, well... it is still exciting and powerful in a way that the last few films weren't. I'm looking forward to the next installment with a sense of optimism I haven't had for Trek films since Nemesis failed to live up to its trailer, and I am truly intrigued by the possibilities set up in this new reality.
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Old May 17 2009, 08:12 AM   #1871
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The most jarring thing for me, though, was really the massive amount of coincidence that bound the events of the story. It created scenes that were great from a dramatic perspective but that also seem very far-fetched.
This was jarring to me too, but I think you're more forgiving of the writers than I am. To add to your list:



These coincidences gave my suspension of disbelief a much harder time than any psuedoscience or treknobabble.
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Old May 17 2009, 08:28 AM   #1872
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I'm not really surprised regarding the use of coincidences given Abrams' role.

A lot of shows these days like to include Fate or a hand of God(BSG, Lost).

The issue I have with it in this film is that it isn't handled nearly as well as on Lost or Heroes in season one, for instance, where characters cross paths and are brought together in more organic plausible ways that don't feel contrived. Here you could definitely feel the writers' hands at work.
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Old May 17 2009, 08:39 AM   #1873
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I'm not really surprised regarding the use of coincidences given Abrams' role.

A lot of shows these days like to include Fate or a hand of God(BSG, Lost).

The issue I have with it in this film is that it isn't handled nearly as well as on Lost or Heroes in season one, for instance, where characters cross paths and are brought together in more organic plausible ways that don't feel contrived. Here you could definitely feel the writers' hands at work.
Yeah, but Star Trek had 2 hours... Lost and Heroes had a whole friggin' season!

Time constraints do count.
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Old May 17 2009, 11:06 AM   #1874
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The most jarring thing for me, though, was really the massive amount of coincidence that bound the events of the story. It created scenes that were great from a dramatic perspective but that also seem very far-fetched.
This was jarring to me too, but I think you're more forgiving of the writers than I am. To add to your list:



These coincidences gave my suspension of disbelief a much harder time than any psuedoscience or treknobabble.
The thing about fate and coincidences is that they ARE true to life, everyday that we live.

Some of us live a life where we marry the girl/guy we met in grade school and have the same best friends our whole lives, have a career plan that moves methodically forward, and each step of our lives follows a logical path.

But for just as many, there is that incomprehensible hand of fate, or unbelievable coincidence, that puts them in an odd place to meet their soulmate/best friend, invent some fantastic thingamabob, take an unplanned, but fantastic, career turn, find the perfect house, etc.

You can search through real life odd stories of 'fate', and probably find more than a few that are loaded with coincidences that seem as unbelievable as many find the ones in this movie.

The universe making things work out correctly?? I neither know nor care. In the context of this movie, I will certainly go with the fate point of view, as I can relate that to real life stories, and the writer wants that to be the theme.
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Old May 17 2009, 11:39 AM   #1875
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Why would a mining ship not have some weapons? I would imagine that many times it is carrying highly valuable cargo and would be a target for pirates. It makes sense to me.

My nitpick is with the black holes and their convenient use as a time travel portal and a destructive force. To the writers I would say. "You get to pick one guys, not both."

Anyway, still love the movie.
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